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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Heather,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Your response to Keely imputes
things to her post that are not there. Keely said that <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>most of the folks at <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>,
are reasonable, intelligent and sincere in their faith. For every
unloving Kirk man, many of whom we're all acquainted with here, I know there
are several more, men and women, who love Christ and are willing to love me in His
name.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>She was clear that she
was speaking to the “theology” and resulting “worldview”
of <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> in her criticism, and she was
very careful about what she said about actual behavior within the home.
Within his own circles, Wilson is a liberal feminist, and has succeeded to keep
out the more patriarchical, oppressive elements of American fundamentalism—intentionally
so (although the recent RC Sproul scandal has caused him to warm up a bit to
Phillips). But this success does not diminish the latent trouble with any
sort of moralist, static, hierarchical picture of submission in the home. Consider
also the issues of theonomy, a static use of “God’s Word,”
southern slavery, the coolness of being “medieval,” the wooden
insertion of our community back into Old Testament story lines, and the failure
to grasp the progress in our American legal tradition over the last 100 years.
Considering all this as well it does seem that the theology and resulting
worldview residing within the Kirk, and latent within the broader tradition we
are a part of, is something to be concerned about – particularly from the
vantage point of a contemporary social liberal. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Yes, you like your
husband. Yes, your husband can be funny. But this is fully
consistent with the kinds of criticism you find here on Vision 2020; the Kirk
is intentionally a non-missional, elitist, exclusivist culture building project
where those loyal ‘family’ members are adored, and those on the
outside are despised. The fact is many people, including myself, don’t
find your husband very likable for objective reasons. And not once have I
questioned his treatment of you or your joyful submission to him –
although I always question how each and every kirker can go on without
challenging the practice of our enemy theology. Keely is a mature
thinker, and I find her far more able to “consider” alternative
points of view than the typical kirker. Because we kirk men are not domineering
peacocks is precisely why my wife has enjoyed her independent experience
becoming free from the Kirk.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Michael Metzler <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>First, I'd like to thank
Keely for joining us for coffee. I'm glad to hear that she enjoyed herself as
did we. However, I'd like to point out that there seems to be an alternative she's
missed or at least is unable to consider. Perhaps not all information out there
in V2020 land and the blog world concerning our church, our pastor, and our
husbands is true. Perhaps we, women whom Keely views as "reasonable,
intelligent and sincere in their faith", have a better grasp on our own
situations and lives than those who don't know us. We aren't merely
"willing to endure" our husbands and our theology but rather
enjoy (love) them both. Why would "intelligent" women love living
with domineering patriarchal peacocks? Maybe we're not actually intelligent.
Maybe we don't really love them. Or, the option you haven't been willing to
consider, maybe they aren't domineering at all. Longshot, I know. But it is
possible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>We don't "grieve, or
are at least puzzled by, [your] Biblical feminism, outspokenness against Doug
Wilson, and [your] sharp theological disagreements with Christ Church."
I've been curious how you've drawn your conclusions but unlike what has been
asserted, we don't all mind when people disagree. In fact, it can make
community life a lot more interesting and fun.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hope we still seem
intelligent when you realize that we are on the same page as our husbands. We
didn't mary stupid boys out of pity. We like them. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Mine's even funny.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Heather Wilson<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>><st1:PersonName
w:st="on">keely emerinemix</st1:PersonName> kjajmix1 at msn.com<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>Tue Jun 13 13:25:27
PDT 2006<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>Previous message:
[Vision2020] Cult Fantasy News Flash<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>I appreciate Douglas
Hunter's wise comments below, as well as Joe's <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>point that we
consider Doug Wilson separately from those unfortunate <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>enough to be
shepherded by him.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>I had coffee
yesterday with five warm, intelligent, delightful women <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>from <st1:place
w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>.
They have every reason to presume that I am as bad <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>and mean as some have
depicted me, and yet they've decided to do what <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>mature women do --
spend some time with me and find out for themselves. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>And I am grateful for
the invitation extended, the warmth expressed, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>and the trust
presumed; I<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>hope I reciprocated with
the same warmth and trust. I have absolutely<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>nothing against them
and would welcome a friendship with any of them -- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>as much as I grieve
the bad theology they've embraced, or are willing <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>to endure, and
the hyper-patriarchal and hierarchical worldview it <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>produces that, I'm
convinced, is as bad for men as it is for women.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>But I would imagine
they grieve, or are at least puzzled by, my <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>Biblical feminism,
outspokenness against Doug Wilson, and my sharp <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>theological
disagreements with <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>. That's
fair. In fact, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>that's great. I
only hope that we can discuss it more. I have no <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>doubt at all that it
would be a loving, reasonable, intelligent and <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>stimulating
discussion, because these women, like most of the folks at <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Christ</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Church</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>,
are reasonable, intelligent and sincere in their faith. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>For every unloving
Kirk man, many of whom we're all acquainted with <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>here, I know there
are several more, men and women, who love Christ and are willing to love me in<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>His name.
I feel he same way.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>That doesn't negate
my concern and anger about what I know of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>'s
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>world and
worldview. In fact, it heightens it. I love a good roll in <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>the theological hay
of debate, but what's of real consequence is that <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>real people -- good
people -- get hurt by bad theology and worse conduct.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>Conscience compels
me, then, to defend them and to defend the Gospel -- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>to offer, with
gentleness and respect, a reason for the hope that lies <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>within me; further
paraphrasing 1 Peter 3:15, I might add that I hope <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>to offer a reason for
the anger and concern that lies within me <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>regarding the Kirk,
and I hope that I've done it with gentleness and <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>respect to the
sincere and offered clear, truth-building rebuke when needed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>And so, I'd like to
publicly thank my friend Heather Wilson and her <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>sister-in-law,
Meredith Wilson, for a delightful morning yesterday. (And <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>it wasn't just the
delicious coffee cake and great coffee, either!)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>>keely<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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