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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>ToeKnee stated:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>“</span></font><font size=2
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Kissinger and McNamara initiated <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region
w:st="on">Vietnam</st1:country-region></st1:place>? Sorry Hon, our
involvement there preceded those two. Also, if you'll recall, it was a
democrat, Johnson, who ratcheted up that conflict.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Check your history books, ToeKnee; those
history books published outside of Canon Press.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Back in 1949 Ho Chi Minh was attempting to
seek independence for <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">North
Vietnam</st1:place></st1:country-region> from French Indochina. He
approached the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region>
(Harry Truman), seeking assistance. Two things were wrong with Minh’s
timing:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1) The <st1:country-region w:st="on">US</st1:country-region>
has been in a love affair with the French ever since <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Lafayette</st1:City></st1:place>. So, when the French said
that Ho Chi Minh is a Commie, we believed him.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>2) We had developed an insufferable
fear of the <st1:place w:st="on">Soviet Union</st1:place>. For the
longest time the <st1:country-region w:st="on">US</st1:country-region>
considered the <st1:place w:st="on">Soviet Union</st1:place> to be somewhat
third-worldish. So when the Soviets acquired the “Bomb”, our
fear was substantiated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>After we had declined to assist Ho Chi
Minh in his country’s bid for independence, he approached a local bully
in his neighborhood, the <st1:place w:st="on">Soviet Union</st1:place>.
This virtually guaranteed <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">France</st1:country-region></st1:place>’s
allegation that Ho Chi Minh is a Commie.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>An thus, the fuse was lit in 1949.
Fifteen years later (1964) after our fears of Communism and the dreaded “Domino
Theory” in South east Asia had grown into a cancer, we needed an excuse
to tak eon those Commie-Pinkos of <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">North Vietnam</st1:place></st1:country-region>. The stage was
set for the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Gulf</st1:PlaceType>
of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Tonkin</st1:PlaceName></st1:place>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>And the rest was history. Eleven
years and 58,007 lives later, we realized that we made a mistake.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Seeya round town, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tom Hansen<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Moscow</span></font></st1:City><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>, <st1:State
w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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"Seldom, if ever, has a war ended leaving the victors with such a sense of
uncertainty and fear -- with such a realization that the future is obscure and
that survival is not assured."<br>
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- Edward R. Murrow<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>ToeKneeTime@aol.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, June 07, 2006
12:04 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ophite@gmail.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Who was
a friend of the big bad bear?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Andrea,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Mc Arthur igniting nuclear war?
Speculation. Reality: Democrat Roosevelt caved at <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Yalta</st1:place></st1:City> and accommodated the Soviets. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Kissinger and McNamara initiated <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Vietnam</st1:place></st1:country-region>?
Sorry Hon, our involvement there preceded those two. Also, if you'll
recall, it was a democrat, Johnson, who ratcheted up that conflict.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Yes, we found ourselves drawn into a
costly arms race with the Soviets. We won because they could not compete
with our production. And interestingly, it was not offensive systems
which ultimately broke the bear's back, but the defensive Strategic Defense
Initiative or "missile shield" which precipitated <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Russia</st1:place></st1:country-region>'s
capitulation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I am heartened to hear that you recognize
the moral and economic bankruptcy that is Marxism. But you err when you
say that the arms race was irrelevant in '69 because enough weapons already
existed to mutually ensure destruction. That's where S.D.I. became a
factor. The Soviets knew they faced yet another race, this one to produce
a system of a DEFENSIVE nature. They weren't up to the task due to the
inherent flaws in their system which you acknowledged.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>You say the <st1:place w:st="on">Soviet
Union</st1:place> was always a paper tiger and no matter who entered the oval
office in '80, it would have imploded. Amazing. Tell it to the tens
of MILLIONS of peasants starved to death by Stalin. Doubt they would
share you view of the Soviets as harmless. Fact is that the liberal community
was sympathetic to, and in bed with, the communist movement then as well as
now. Your sorry attempt to rewrite history notwithstanding. For an
accurate tale of liberals and their involvement with the communists in the
fifties and sixties, I recommend you read David Horowitz's Radical Son.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>More on the torture question
later, --Tony<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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