Wayne,<br> <br> I am afraid I am going to have to agree with the other posters on this topic. In addition to <font size="4"><strong><font color="#ff00ff">fuchsia</font></strong></font> not being my color : ) I think the thinking you are using is sort of twisted and backwards, contrary to logic.<br> <br> I don't pay any money or taxes to support Christ Church. So it is not taking my tax dollars any more than they are taking mine to support my church. Your solution simply takes money out of the hands of volunteers doing work with non-profits and putting it in the hands of the government instead. I disagree with that.<br> <br> I think it would be a disastrous policy to try and donate $10 to the Catholic Relief Fund and have $3-$5 of that money be taxed and given to the government to be spent on mobile homes that sink in the Arkansas mud instead of getting to the people that need them like what happened with the victims of Katrina. Most reputable charity
organizations; Red Cross, UNICEF, Catholic Relief Fund etc, get about 90% of the money to the cause, in addition to providing volunteer labor. The government is not that efficient. I don't know how many times the government's incompetence to manage taxpayer dollars has been demonstrated to us in just the last six years alone. <br> <br> I would agree that maybe perhaps we can revisit the rules and regulations regarding what constitutes a non-profit organization. However, I think that you will find it impossible to find an definition that will be to the liking of everyone and not violate the constitutional religious rights and freedoms of anyone.<br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>Art Deco <deco@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta content="MSHTML
6.00.2900.2873" name="GENERATOR"> <div><font size="4">Donovan,</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">My universe of discourse was limited to non-governmental, non-profit organizations. I have bolded these words below and in the original post below in <strong><font color="#ff00ff">fuchsia</font></strong> so that you can see that. I am sorry if I was not clear about this in the original post.</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">My point is this: </font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">Instead of forcing each taxpayer to financially support <strong><font color="#ff00ff" size="5">non-governmental</font></strong>, now tax exempt organizations (non-profits) whose goals/activities they do not wish to support and thus enable, I am proposing to revoke the tax exempt status of
these <strong><font color="#ff00ff" size="5">non-governmental</font></strong> organizations. Then each of us will be able to choose to give money to the organizations that <font color="#0000ff"><strong>we choose</strong></font> to support, money now being taken <font color="#ff0000"><strong>involuntarily </strong><strong>through taxation</strong></font><font color="#000000"> from us and applied where we do not wish it to be.</font></font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">Suppose that $10 of my tax money now goes to the Anti-Rhododendron League who activities I abhor, but am forced to enable and to support by my forced tax contribution. If the tax-free status of the Anti-Rhododendron League were revoked, I would save $10 in taxes which I then could choose to contribute to the Friends of the Sewer Lagoon or <strong><font color="#0000ff">any other organization which I as an
individual choose to support</font></strong>.</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">The cost to me in both cases is the same. The difference is that in the second case, <font color="#0000ff"><strong>I</strong> </font>exercised the <strong><font color="#0000ff">freedom to choose</font></strong> where <strong><font color="#0000ff">my</font></strong> money went and what non-governmental activities <strong><font color="#0000ff">I chose</font></strong> to support. <strong>The principle being advocated is that citizens should not be forced to finance <font color="#ff00ff" size="5">non-governmental</font> </strong></font><font color="#ff00ff" size="5"><strong>organizations</strong><font color="#000000" size="4"><strong> whose goals/philosophies/activities they wish not to support or enable. </strong></font></font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font size="4">In the case of the war in Iraq, </font><font size="4">the war on drugs, or any other governmental activity each adult citizen has at least a little say about whether or how money is spent on these activities through the ballot box and by communicating our opinions to our elected representatives, etc. In the case of the <font size="6"><font face="Olde English">Wilson & Family's Cult & <font color="#00bb88"><strong>Cash Machine</strong></font></font></font>, I have no influence what-so-ever on how <strong><font color="#ff0000">the money forcibly taken from me and given to them is spent</font></strong>, even though I do not support, in fact strenuously oppose, most of the goals/philosophies/activities of that organization. </font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">I am reasonably sure you can think of an organization about which you feel the same way, unless you are one
who does not care to exercise personal choice/freedom over the disbursement/expenditure of the money they earn to <strong><font color="#ff00ff" size="5">non-governmental</font></strong> <strong><font color="#ff00ff" size="5">organizations<font color="#000000" size="4"> </font></font></strong>and do not believe others should have that freedom either.</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">The above is a simple, straight-forward, particular application of part of the libertarian, self-determination point of view which appears to be an underlying element of our the U.S. Constitution. I would expect that persons from almost the entire gamut of political outlooks could support the principle invovled and the ensuing legislation once the facts and impacts are known.</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">If
the above is still not clear, and you have carefully read the above and the now bolded original post, please seriously indicate what is not clear, and I will attempt to clarify it.</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div><font size="4"> </font><div><font size="4"><br>Wayne A. Fox<br>1009 Karen Lane<br>PO Box 9421<br>Moscow, ID 83843</font></div> <div><font size="4"> </font></div> <div><font size="4">(208) 882-7975<br><a href="mailto:waf@moscow.com">waf@moscow.com</a><br></font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4"></font><font size="4"></font> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust:
none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> </div> <div><b>To:</b> <a title="deco@moscow.com" href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</a> </div> <div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="ttrail@house.state.id.us" href="mailto:ttrail@house.state.id.us">Tom Trail</a> ; <a title="sringo@house.state.id.us" href="mailto:sringo@house.state.id.us">Shirley Ringo</a> ; <a title="Gary@hideandfur.com" href="mailto:Gary@hideandfur.com">Gary Schroeder</a> </div> <div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:54 AM</div> <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] IBTA Decisions</div></div>
<div><br></div>Wayne,<br><br>So what is your point? That we not have any non-profit organizations? That we get to pick and choose what we want to pay taxes for on an individual bases?<br><br>I think the war in Iraq and the war on drugs are bigger wastes of money than anything locally, and certainly more costly. <br><br>_DJA<br><br><br><br><br><br><b><i>Art Deco <<a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a>></i></b> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2873" name="GENERATOR"> <style></style> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4">Rose, Saundra, et al,</font></div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4">The problems of unfair/unbalanced taxation that you have exposed are but a tip of the iceberg.</font></div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="4">Here is the problem of granting tax-exemptions (income, property, sales, etc) to so-called non-profit organizations:</font></div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4">Whenever one person, a group of persons, or an organization is given preferential tax treatment, the rest of us must make up the difference with our tax payments. Those non-profits specially favored with no taxes use that money that they do not pay (and the rest of make up for by paying) to further the goals of their organization. In other words, those of us taxed are <strong><font color="#ff0000" size="5">involuntarily</font></strong> paying for the pursuance of any non-profit's goals. Further, those of forced to contribute to these organizations have no way to influence the way such contributions are used.</font></div> <div> </div> <div><font face="Verdana"
size="4">None of us probably favor the goals of all organizations</font> <font face="Verdana" size="4">granted this special treatment. </font></div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4">For example, I resent having to pay for the Hertiage Foundation pursuance of their goals and I am sure that there are members of the Heritage Foundation that resent being forced to pay for the activities of the Brookings Institute. [Use your imagination to think of all the <font color="#ff00ff" size="5"><strong>non-governmental, non-profit organizations</strong></font> whose activities <strong><font color="#0000ff" size="5">you are being forced to subsidize and whose activities conflict with your ethical/political/social outlook and whom you would not choose to support had you the personal freedom/discretion not to</font></strong>, for example.]</font></div> <div><font
face="Verdana" size="4"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4">This is a clear violation of personal freedom to choose what ideals/activities to support with our own money. It is also inconsistent with free-enterprise philosophy which directs that any <strong><font color="#ff00ff" size="5">non-governmental</font></strong> organization depend on their success in the marketplace to finance their own activities.</font></div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4">It would be foolish to expect any of our legislators to support the abolishment of preferential tax treatment of non-profits at this juncture. This is partially because we as citizens and they as legislators are basically ignorant of the cost to each taxpayer of these gifts and the financial and ethical impact on those not so gifted.</font></div>
<div><font face="Verdana" size="4"></font> </div> <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Verdana" size="4"><strong></strong></font> </div> <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Verdana" size="4"><strong>A start to curing this ignorance and a start towards better tax laws with respect to non-profits would be to pass a set of laws mandating that the various taxing entities be required to determine and to publish the amount of taxes lost under the various preferences granted to each non-profit and the general categories of nonprofits as defined by the tax law. As part of these reports, the financial impacts on classes of individuals should also be calculated so that we can understand the financial impact on ourselves as individual taxpayers. </strong></font></div> <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Verdana" size="4"><strong></strong></font> </div> <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Verdana"><strong><font size="4">If, for
example, knowing the amount it cost for each individual to grant tax free status to religious organizations (especially those whose teachings are in opposition to our own personal beliefs) may influence the public's and eventually the legislators' willingness to continue these free rides to <font color="#ff00ff" size="5">non-governmental</font> organizations and </font><font color="#ff0000" size="5">to continue violating our personal freedom which such <font size="6">forced</font> subsidies totally abrogate.</font></strong></font></div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4">Abolishing tax-free rides for nonprofits would not necessarily diminish the total amount of money collected now by these organizations. But by making contributions/support/etc voluntary and dependent upon the ideals and activities of each
organization, there would probably be some shift driven by the marketplace and considerations of general worth in the distribution of that money. Monies which individuals are not being forced to fork over could be re-directed to the <strong><font color="#ff00ff" size="5">non-governmental</font></strong> organizations of the individual's<font color="#ff0000" size="6"><strong> own</strong></font> choice.</font></div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4">In the long run, abolishing tax-free status would not only restore personal freedom of what to do with the discretionary funds we choose to disburse, but will force those organizations we are now being forced to support (without our having any way to influence their activities) to operate much more openly, intelligently, legally, and effectively.</font></div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4"></font> </div><font face="Verdana"
size="4"></font> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4"><br>Wayne A. Fox<br>1009 Karen Lane<br>PO Box 9421<br>Moscow, ID 83843</font></div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4"></font> </div> <div><font face="Verdana" size="4">(208) 882-7975<br><a href="mailto:waf@moscow.com">waf@moscow.com</a><br></font></div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> <a title="DonaldH675@aol.com" href="mailto:DonaldH675@aol.com">DonaldH675@aol.com</a> </div> <div><b>To:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a> </div> <div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday,
June 03, 2006 6:11 PM</div> <div><b>Subject:</b> [Vision2020] IBTA Decisions</div></div> <div><br></div><font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Georgia" size="3"> <div>The IBTA has announced their decisions on property tax issues related to Logos School, New St. Andrews, and the Nuart Theatre aka Community Christian Ministries. The decisions will be posted (it is hoped) within the next week (and I urge those interested to take the time to review them) at: <a href="http://www2.state.id.us/bta/Appeal%20Lists/appealslist2005.htm">http://www2.state.id.us/bta/Appeal%20Lists/appealslist2005.htm</a>.</div> <div> </div> <div>The IBTA ruled in favor of all three entities. I am disappointed in their findings but I am appreciative of the opportunity to express our concerns and make our arguments in a public venue. I believe that the IBTA "Conclusions of Law" (on the Logos and NSA issues) opens the door
to innumerable claims from home-schooling families and other alleged educational institutions for tax exemption on their homes or other properties. I need hardly remind you who will shoulder the tax burden for that.</div> <div> </div> <div>It is significant that Logos School, NSA, and CCM have <strong><u>never</u></strong> provided independently audited financial records to the Latah County Board of Equalization or to the Idaho Board of Tax Appeals - nor have those bodies asked for or required such documentation. In the case of NSA no financial documents have ever been provided - and they fervently protest (successfully) any suggestion that they do so. Logos School offered a two year old self-prepared Tax Form 990. Mr. Jim Wilson (director of CCM) provided a self-reported "budget." (The financial documentation Mr. Wilson offered included the generalized heading "Donations." Although the
Nuart housed Atlas School - a Christian, for-profit boys school, Mr. Wilson testified that he had never charged rent for that use - thus dodging any need for prorated the taxes on the property. We subsequently learned that instead of rent, Atlas School administrators provided a monthly "donation" which of course was not identified in the lump sum accounting provided by Mr. Wilson)</div> <div> </div> <div>I urge readers of V2020 who are receiving their property tax bills this week to contact the Latah County Commissioners and ask them to require that all entities who receive property tax exemption in this county provide, for the public record, a complete financial disclosure which is prepared and submitted by an independent, external, public accounting firm. It is unconscionable to me that the privilege of tax exemption is extended on the basis of self-assertion of non-profit status. And, if your
property tax seems a little higher, don't forget to thank the members and associates of Wilson, Inc.</div> <div> </div> <div>Rose Huskey</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div><font family="SERIF" ptsize="12" face="Georgia" lang="0" size="3">Rose Huskey<br><br>"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Mahatma Gandhi</font></div></font> <div></div> <hr> <div></div>_____________________________________________________<br> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>
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