I don't have to get permission from my pastor to do things. I don't *have* to seek input from my pastor to make decisions, but I often do (and isn't that something pastors are for?). I also seek input from other men and women in my church who I respect. If you knew these people you would not be able to charge them of being brainwashed or endlessly repeating Douglas Wilson catch-phrases.
<br><br>-Austin<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/4/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">J Ford</b> <<a href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com">privatejf32@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Miss Keely;<br><br>Problem with your suggestions is that Austin, like so many of the "men" in<br>the kirkhood, would have to (a) get permission from Daddy Dougie; (b) seek<br>his input regarding these issues; (c) get his permission to repeat his
<br>response; (d) spew forth the poison that Dougie likes to brainwash his<br>dumblings with.<br><br>In other words - won't work. All you'd get is more of Dougie' rhetoric and<br>we've heard that enough times to chock a horse.
<br><br>Good try, though. Its just too bad there really are no "men" in kirkhood to<br>take up the challenge and go it alone. The one Man that did, Michael, has<br>been excommunicated, shunned, driven out of business and mayhap even out of
<br>town here soon. Truly a "christian" means of attack if there ever was -<br>NOT!<br><br>J :]<br><br><br><br><br>>From: "keely emerinemix" <<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>
><br>>To: <a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com">austinstorm@gmail.com</a>, <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] a tutorial for Austin<br>>Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 08:52:22 -0700
<br>><br>>Austin,<br>><br>>Doug Farris' little snippet of humor referred to the IBTA decision stemming<br>>from Rose Huskey and Saundra Lund's complaint regarding tax exemption, not<br>>from Don Huskey's complaint about boarding houses. Big difference. Huge
<br>>one, in fact. You might want to take a step back and re-read her post.<br>>Then, if you'd like some more history, I'd be happy to meet with you.<br>><br>>As far as walking a mile in Doug Farris' shoes to understand the source of
<br>>his vitriol, I'll decline. Not because I'm not an empathic person -- I'd<br>>like to think I am -- but because that would indicate that the original<br>>taxation complaint was a personal slam against Kirkers, Doug and yourself
<br>>included. It wasn't. It's not personal, it's legal, Austin. Christ<br>>Church has been the focus of legitimate complaints regarding taxation, its<br>>NSA presence downtown, and illegal boarding houses throughout Moscow. No
<br>>other church has because no other church offends in those ways -- even,<br>>maybe especially, those Biblically conservative churches whose theology has<br>>the same doctrinal roots as yours. In addition, Moscow has been treated to
<br>>a smorgasbord of other activities, some illegal (gambling casinos) and some<br>>merely offensive in their bigotry, stupidity, and arrogance (time doesn't<br>>allow me to enumerate these) that Kirk elders have been linked to. You
<br>>might be too young to remember that while the elders evidently were<br>>disgusted by the casinos, for example, their subsequent behavior in<br>>handling the mess was at least as immoral as that of the future men who ran
<br>>the thing. And the staggering quantity and quality of bad behavior and<br>>arrogant pronouncements your elders and pastor have demonstrated in the<br>>public square is both mind-boggling and heart-rending to a lot of us.
<br>><br>>But, of course, you don't believe me. Why would you? The Intoleristas<br>>you've been told to hold in such disdain are just a rag-tag group of<br>>hellbound malcontents, right? I mean, there couldn't be any merit to our
<br>>objections -- it's just personal, an objection of the saints being<br>>persecuted for righteousness.<br>><br>>So here's an idea, if you're mature enough in your faith to give it a try.<br>>Why not, while still remaining kind and charitable, simply put away for a
<br>>time the personal elements of this situation -- set aside the cries of<br>>persecution from your community and put up on a shelf your animus toward<br>>mine -- and then do something truly radical: Look at the facts. Check
<br>>your Bible and see if your theology squares. See how Doug Wilson, never<br>>mind Doug Farris, matches up to the great saints of the New Testament<br>>church. Read court documents. Read a magazine that doesn't come from
<br>>Canon Press. Talk to people from outside of the church -- those who were<br>>in and left and those who never have been Kirkers. Pray, and be willing to<br>>hear the answer. Ask hard questions -- of yourself, your parents, your
<br>>elders, your co-congregants, and your pastor. (I have no fear at all of<br>>disagreeing with my pastor, Austin. Can you say that about yours?). Be<br>>willing to hear those answers and act on them. Ask yourself what I asked a
<br>>young NSA'er a few months ago: If you were a pastor, would you do and say<br>>and write the things Doug Wilson has over the last few years?<br>><br>>If, as I suspect, the answer to that one is "no," then I'd ask you why in
<br>>the world you trust the nurture of your soul to a man whose conduct you<br>>can't possibly find admirable, can't possibly want to emulate, and can't<br>>possibly remind you of the Christ you serve.<br>><br>
>And then, if you ever want to meet with me, contact me offline. I'll buy<br>>the beer.<br>><br>>keely<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>From: "Austin Storm" <<a href="mailto:austinstorm@gmail.com">
austinstorm@gmail.com</a>><br>>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] IBTA Decisions<br>>Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:50:43 -0700<br>><br>>keely,<br>
><br>>(putting on my Metzler hat and having a go at some non-threatening<br>>question-asking)<br>><br>>Do you think Mr. Huskey's complaint has any merit? Do you understand why it<br>>seems hypocritical to Mr. Ferris?
<br>><br>>I'm guessing Mr. Ferris feels the zoning complaints were harassment. If you<br>>would walk a mile in his mocassins (or however long a hundred acres is...<br>>we<br>>are in the wood now, after all), what do you think your Christian response
<br>>would be? (for the sake of discussion, remember that you think the<br>>complaint<br>>is harrassment)<br>><br>>Not sarcastic, but terribly, horribly amused with myself on account of the<br>>Metzler hat bit,
<br>><br>>-Austin<br>><br>><br>>On 6/3/06, keely emerinemix <<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a>> wrote:<br>>><br>>><br>>>And what a sterling Christian witness we have here, folks.
<br>>><br>>>Wood, hay, and stubble, Doug. Wood, hay, and stubble.<br>>><br>>>keely<br>>><br>>>From: <a href="mailto:heirdoug@netscape.net">heirdoug@netscape.net</a><br>>>To: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">
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>><br>>>When you and Don finally get a place of your own and stop boarding with<br>>>your<br>>>daughter and start actually paying taxes then I think we will start<br>>>listening to your diatribe on the importance of paying one's taxes into
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