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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What you suggest for Moscow's growth ("let the
people with a real vested interest in any given project move ahead ") is just
what happened under former council and result was series of subdivision
developments sprawled around town perimeter. Not one has a park. Not
one is connected bysidewalk/trail/path to town. All require rest of us to
provide infrastructure for them (think Joseph street bridge). That is Dumb
Growth.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>BL</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jampot@adelphia.net href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jeanlivingston@turbonet.com
href="mailto:jeanlivingston@turbonet.com">Bruce and Jean Livingston</A> ; <A
title=mattd2107@hotmail.com href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com">Matt
Decker</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 25, 2006 7:33
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] RE: Tribune
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bruce, It's clear from your post that you do not
feel that the MCA is a "no growth" organization. But it's equally clear that
it's a long way from being pro growth. What it appears to me to be is a growth
by strangling committee group. A here is our vision of how property that is
not ours should look and be used club. If you stand in the way of the kinds of
development that developer's actually are willing to put their money on the
line for, can you honestly say you're in favor of growth? To proclaim
yourselves as "smart growth" advocates is to say that you're in favor of a set
of confused and contradictory goals design to leave everyone
dissatisfied. It would seem to me that pro growth is to let the people
with a real vested interest in any given project move ahead under a straight
forward and not overly restrictive set of guidelines and let the
community vote with its patronage. In a society where failure is seldom
rewarded, mistakes will likely not be repeated. To try and make everybody
happy on the front end of every project is to create needless road blocks and
stagnation.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gary Crabtree</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mattd2107@hotmail.com
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com">Matt Decker</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 23, 2006 12:45
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] RE: Tribune
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<DIV>Whoa Nellie!</DIV>
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<DIV>Matt, I think you need to stop buying what certain "growth at all
costs" types are selling in their inaccurate smear of the MCA as an
organization favoring no-growth. We are by no means a
"no-growth"-seeking organization. </DIV>
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<DIV>We seek to bring open public discussion and planning -- long range
planning especially -- back into the process. We seek to
incorporate into our City better pedestrian and bicycle corridors,
sidewalks, mixed uses and cluster developments that use forward thinking
combinations of higher densities, and more shared, open
space. We seek sustainable community development, not
stagnation. There is a continuum of positions on the growth spectrum,
from no growth on the one hand to unregulated, absolute power to develop
one's land without regard to the effect on one's neighbors on the
other. MCA is not for the former; I would hazard a guess that
GMA is not for the latter. Time will tell.</DIV>
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<DIV>Up until recently, this City has operated on a basis that had relegated
the zoning code to an advisory document, spot-zoning and re-zoning property
willy-nilly at the request of any developer -- regardless of the
conflict any particular proposal may have had with the Comprehensive
Plan. Evidence of that sad pattern can be found with the
prior council's frittering away of the West A street commercial property
that has been turned into one apartment complex after another. The
"pro-growth at all costs" crowd decries the current "lack" of motor business
land in the City and uses that alleged "lack" as a basis for asserting the
necessity of re-zoning the Thompson property. Those same "pro-growth
regardless of the costs" folks include those who spent much of our best
motor business land on short term, short-sighted, frenzies of granting
every request to turn A Street into apartments -- in an area
that has no adequate pedestrian crossing of the largest road in our City for
the numerous pedestrian students who were locating in those
apartments. </DIV>
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<DIV>Smart Growth we advocate, not "no growth." <A
href="http://www.idahosmartgrowth.org/">http://www.idahosmartgrowth.org/</A></DIV>
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<DIV>The best place for heavy commercial growth was always along the Pullman
Highway and behind Third Street on A, as was set forth in the Comprehensive
Plan. The recently annexed university-owned land north of the Palouse
Mall is an obvious motor business area, and it serves far wiser planning and
strategic needs by its location as close to Pullman as we can place it,
while retaining a Latah County location. The good folks of Troy
will drive through Moscow and past our downtown to get to the Moscow motor
business developments near the state line. The Pullmanites and WSU
students, particularly those using the bus, seem much less likely to drive
or hitch a ride to the far side of eastern Moscow, especially as their
choices expand in Whitman County. </DIV>
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<DIV>Being opposed to a misguided and ill-conceived, 77 acre motor
business re-zone on the east side of town does not make one
anti-growth. It makes one opposed to that particular
development.</DIV>
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<DIV>Likewise, as evidenced by prior discussion on this list, expressing
concern and seeking solutions about water usage on the Palouse is not
anti-growth. In fact, it is pro-growth. The Seattle model,
referenced by Nils Peterson and Mark Solomon on V2020 discussions, is worthy
of pursuit here. Seattle was able to grow -- substantially
-- while actually cutting its water usage through thoughtful, long-term
conservation policies. We, too, can do the same. Given our
scarce and declining water supply, why not seek to implement water
conserving policies that will enable future growth, rather than blindly play
a game of chicken with an aquifer of unknown size and dimensions?
Preserving our water through thoughtful and proven conservation methods
preserves our ability to grow for the long term. Our County
Commissioners, two of whom are Republicans, have listened and learned from
Diane French, Mark Solomon and others on the water issue, so don't be so
quick to dismiss Diane and Mark as having ideas that take root only on the
left, when the evidence is to the contrary and their hard work on
water management benefits us all.</DIV>
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<DIV>Personally, I also welcome discussion of a reservoir. I oppose
injection of the pristine waters of the Grand Ronde aquifer with relatively
filthy runoff from muddy fields laden with various herbicides,
pesticides, fertilizers, and assorted other pollutants. But
opposing injection of the Grand Ronde does not make me anti-growth, Matt, it
makes me opposed to that particular water management option among a myriad
of choices that enhance the possibility of and favor long-term
growth.</DIV>
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<DIV>I am pro-growth. Most in the MCA are as well. Several years
ago the MCA Board took a position favoring growth. We accepted
the Smart Growth model, and rejected a no growth alternative.
That position has not changed.</DIV>
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<DIV>We in the MCA welcome the GMA to the discussion; undoubtedly the
community at large does, too. Informed and open discussion is
enlightening and useful to all. Overall, my sense is that the Moscow
community is glad that the MCA arrived and changed the discussion from
private conversations of a few policymakers, movers and shakers to a much
larger group of people throughout the community who are all engaged in
the discussion. The GMA will undoubtedly add its voice to the
discussion, which can only be a good thing. Let the marketplace of
ideas percolate and see what happens. But don't mis-apprehend the MCA
as being anti-growth, for we are not.</DIV>
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<DIV>Bruce Livingston</DIV>
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<DIV>Matt Decker said:</DIV></DIV>| Remember this(GMA) group was established
because of the Mark Solomans, Diane <BR>| Frenchs, and the MCA groups that
back up their no growth attitudes. Smart <BR>| Growth, Please. Disguise it
however you like, but it just adds up to little <BR>| or nil growth. The
attitudes of these people are just to aggressive for <BR>| Moscow. Yes some
of the people in the group have lives outside of the <BR>| computer, that
depend on growth, including myself.<BR>| <BR>| See what we can do first
before belittling us to a bunch of money crazed <BR>| good ol boy. This
group also wants what is best for Moscow.<BR>| <BR>| MD<BR>| <BR>| Matt<BR>
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