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<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>You may find many of my comments about the MPD in the
archives. Have at it. My original question was directed at Gary
Crabtree.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:19 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police
UnionStandNot a Conflict</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Wayne,<BR><BR>It is my contention that no proof has been provided
that a union will improve the competency of the MPD-which is not
needed anyway, our police are highly competent.<BR><BR>Why are you dodging my
question? Why do you think that our police are not good enough? What are you
saying is wrong with them?<BR><BR>You appear to be the only one saying that they
are not good enough. I would like to know why you think
that?<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><B><I>Art Deco
<deco@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Is it your contention that there is nothing about the MPD
that either needs improvement or is likely to need improvement in the
future or actions to prevent degradation in the future?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; moz-background-clip: initial; moz-background-origin: initial; moz-background-inline-policy: initial"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:54 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police
UnionStandNot a Conflict</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><PRE><TT>"Is it then your contention that raising salaries and improving working <BR>conditions in the MPD will not promote the hiring and retention of more <BR>able, effective police officers?" Wayne Fox (Art Deco)<BR><BR>Wayne, sounds to me that you are saying our police are not<BR>able or effective enough for Moscow. I am happy with the ones<BR>we got. Why do we need to have better ones, assuming there are better ones?<BR><BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><BR></TT></PRE><BR><BR><B><I>Art
Deco <deco@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">Gary,<BR><BR>Is
it then your contention that raising salaries and improving working
<BR>conditions in the MPD will not promote the hiring and retention of more
<BR>able, effective police officers?<BR><BR>W.<BR><BR>----- Original Message
----- <BR>From: "g. crabtree" <JAMPOT @adelphia.net=""><BR>To: "Tom Hansen"
<THANSEN @moscow.com="">; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <BR><VISION2020
@moscow.com=""><BR>Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:08 PM<BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police <BR>UnionStandNot a
Conflict<BR><BR><BR>> First name familiarity and approachability are
charming concepts but I <BR>> really do not see how they out weigh the
negatives of the union or even <BR>> enhance law enforcement in the
community in any appreciable way. (this <BR>> isn't Detroit or Newark
after all) Perhaps it would be good if you did go <BR>> on a bit longer
because the only picture I get is of my tax bill going <BR>> through the
roof and nothing of substance to show for it, except a fatter <BR>> union
and big grins on a couple of councilmen.<BR>><BR>> gc<BR>> -----
Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Tom Hansen" <THANSEN
@moscow.com=""><BR>> To: "'g. crabtree'" <JAMPOT @adelphia.net="">;
"'Moscow Vision 2020'" <BR>> <VISION2020 @moscow.com=""><BR>> Sent:
Monday, May 22, 2006 7:28 PM<BR>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Stout Not
Wrong n Union Support / Police Union <BR>> StandNot a
Conflict<BR>><BR>><BR>>> One MAJOR problem that the Moscow
Police Department is experiencing is <BR>>> lack<BR>>> of
continuity. After a year officers tend to pack up and move to <BR>>>
"greener<BR>>> pastures", primarily due to wages/salaries that are not
competitive (here <BR>>> in<BR>>> Moscow) with other
comparably-sized community police departments.<BR>>> Ultimately this
results in loss of quality police officers.<BR>>><BR>>>
Establishing a police union will ensure the rights and privileges for
our<BR>>> police department; rights and privileges that have up until
just recently<BR>>> received nothing more than lip service from our
city council.<BR>>><BR>>> Once continuity is established, the
community becomes familiar with <BR>>> members<BR>>> of its
police force. The community gains first name familiarity with
the<BR>>> officers responsible for protecting its streets. This level
of <BR>>> familiarity<BR>>> breeds a relationship where police
officers become very approachable.<BR>>><BR>>> I could go on and
on about how such a relationship benefits the<BR>>> neighborhoods, but
I am sure you get the picture already.<BR>>><BR>>> Tom
Hansen<BR>>> Moscow, Idaho<BR>>><BR>>> "If not us,
who?<BR>>> If not now, when?"<BR>>><BR>>> -
Unknown<BR>>><BR>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>> From:
g. crabtree [mailto:jampot@adelphia.net]<BR>>> Sent: Monday, May 22,
2006 6:58 PM<BR>>> To: Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 2020<BR>>>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police
Union<BR>>> StandNot a Conflict<BR>>><BR>>> Ray writes a
fine letter as far as it goes. The question I have yet to <BR>>>
see<BR>>> answered satisfactorily is how is a unionized police force
is good for <BR>>> the<BR>>> city and by extension the citizens?
It's easy to see that it will be good<BR>>> for the union. More dues.
It will be good for politicians who support it.<BR>>> More
contributions. It might be good for the police. More wages and<BR>>>
benifits, perhaps. But good for the people of Moscow as a whole? That
<BR>>> hasn't<BR>>><BR>>> been established by any stretch
of the imagination. In fact its not too <BR>>>
hard<BR>>><BR>>> to envision several negative outcomes that will
be brought about by union<BR>>> recognition not the least of which
will be greatly increased costs.<BR>>><BR>>>
gc<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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