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<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Do you think that there is any organization that can not be
improved?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:35 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police
UnionStandNot a Conflict</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Wayne,<BR><BR>If you didn't want public comment on why you think
we need better MPD officers and we would get it through the officers paying a
union, why did you put it on Vision 2020, a public forum? <BR><BR>Nice try
dodging of the question. <BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><B><I>Art Deco
<<A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A>></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>You may find many of my comments about the MPD in the
archives. Have at it. My original question was directed at Gary
Crabtree.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:19 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police
UnionStandNot a Conflict</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Wayne,<BR><BR>It is my contention that no proof has been
provided that a union will improve the competency of the MPD-which
is not needed anyway, our police are highly competent.<BR><BR>Why are you
dodging my question? Why do you think that our police are not good enough?
What are you saying is wrong with them?<BR><BR>You appear to be the only one
saying that they are not good enough. I would like to know why you think
that?<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><B><I>Art Deco
<deco@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Is it your contention that there is nothing about the MPD
that either needs improvement or is likely to need improvement in the
future or actions to prevent degradation in the future?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; moz-background-clip: initial; moz-background-origin: initial; moz-background-inline-policy: initial"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:54 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support /
Police UnionStandNot a Conflict</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><PRE><TT>"Is it then
your contention that raising salaries and improving working <BR>conditions in the MPD will not promote the hiring and retention of more <BR>able, effective police officers?" Wayne Fox (Art Deco)<BR><BR>Wayne, sounds to me that you are saying our police are not<BR>able or effective enough for Moscow. I am happy with the ones<BR>we got. Why do we need to have better ones, assuming there are better ones?<BR><BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><BR></TT></PRE><BR><BR><B><I>Art
Deco <deco@moscow.com></I></B> wrote:
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it then your contention that raising salaries and improving working
<BR>conditions in the MPD will not promote the hiring and retention of
more <BR>able, effective police officers?<BR><BR>W.<BR><BR>----- Original
Message ----- <BR>From: "g. crabtree" <JAMPOT @adelphia.net=""><BR>To:
"Tom Hansen" <THANSEN @moscow.com="">; "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
<BR><VISION2020 @moscow.com=""><BR>Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:08
PM<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police
<BR>UnionStandNot a Conflict<BR><BR><BR>> First name familiarity and
approachability are charming concepts but I <BR>> really do not see how
they out weigh the negatives of the union or even <BR>> enhance law
enforcement in the community in any appreciable way. (this <BR>> isn't
Detroit or Newark after all) Perhaps it would be good if you did go
<BR>> on a bit longer because the only picture I get is of my tax bill
going <BR>> through the roof and nothing of substance to show for it,
except a fatter <BR>> union and big grins on a couple of
councilmen.<BR>><BR>> gc<BR>> ----- Original Message -----
<BR>> From: "Tom Hansen" <THANSEN @moscow.com=""><BR>> To: "'g.
crabtree'" <JAMPOT @adelphia.net="">; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <BR>>
<VISION2020 @moscow.com=""><BR>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:28
PM<BR>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support /
Police Union <BR>> StandNot a Conflict<BR>><BR>><BR>>> One
MAJOR problem that the Moscow Police Department is experiencing is
<BR>>> lack<BR>>> of continuity. After a year officers tend to
pack up and move to <BR>>> "greener<BR>>> pastures", primarily
due to wages/salaries that are not competitive (here <BR>>>
in<BR>>> Moscow) with other comparably-sized community police
departments.<BR>>> Ultimately this results in loss of quality police
officers.<BR>>><BR>>> Establishing a police union will ensure
the rights and privileges for our<BR>>> police department; rights
and privileges that have up until just recently<BR>>> received
nothing more than lip service from our city
council.<BR>>><BR>>> Once continuity is established, the
community becomes familiar with <BR>>> members<BR>>> of its
police force. The community gains first name familiarity with
the<BR>>> officers responsible for protecting its streets. This
level of <BR>>> familiarity<BR>>> breeds a relationship where
police officers become very approachable.<BR>>><BR>>> I could
go on and on about how such a relationship benefits the<BR>>>
neighborhoods, but I am sure you get the picture
already.<BR>>><BR>>> Tom Hansen<BR>>> Moscow,
Idaho<BR>>><BR>>> "If not us, who?<BR>>> If not now,
when?"<BR>>><BR>>> - Unknown<BR>>><BR>>>
-----Original Message-----<BR>>> From: g. crabtree
[mailto:jampot@adelphia.net]<BR>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 6:58
PM<BR>>> To: Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 2020<BR>>> Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police Union<BR>>>
StandNot a Conflict<BR>>><BR>>> Ray writes a fine letter as
far as it goes. The question I have yet to <BR>>> see<BR>>>
answered satisfactorily is how is a unionized police force is good for
<BR>>> the<BR>>> city and by extension the citizens? It's easy
to see that it will be good<BR>>> for the union. More dues. It will
be good for politicians who support it.<BR>>> More contributions. It
might be good for the police. More wages and<BR>>> benifits,
perhaps. But good for the people of Moscow as a whole? That <BR>>>
hasn't<BR>>><BR>>> been established by any stretch of the
imagination. In fact its not too <BR>>> hard<BR>>><BR>>>
to envision several negative outcomes that will be brought about by
union<BR>>> recognition not the least of which will be greatly
increased costs.<BR>>><BR>>>
gc<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>><BR>><BR>>
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