Wayne,<br> <br>Nice try of dodging the question.<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>Art Deco <deco@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2873" name="GENERATOR"> <div><font size="4">Donovan:</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">Do you think that there is any organization that can not be improved?</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">W.</font></div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial;
-moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> </div> <div><b>To:</b> <a title="deco@moscow.com" href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</a> </div> <div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 24, 2006 7:35 PM</div> <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police UnionStandNot a Conflict</div></div> <div><br></div>Wayne,<br><br>If you didn't want public comment on why you think we need better MPD officers and we would get it through the officers paying a union, why did you put it on Vision 2020, a public forum? <br><br>Nice try dodging of the question. <br><br>Regards,<br><br>_DJA<br><br><b><i>Art Deco <<a href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a>></i></b> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16,
255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2873" name="GENERATOR"> <div><font size="4">Donovan,</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">You may find many of my comments about the MPD in the archives. Have at it. My original question was directed at Gary Crabtree.</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">W.</font></div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> </div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="deco@moscow.com" href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</a> </div> <div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:19 PM</div> <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police UnionStandNot a Conflict</div></div> <div><br></div>Wayne,<br><br>It is my contention that no proof has been provided that a union will improve the competency of the MPD-which is not needed anyway, our police are highly competent.<br><br>Why are you dodging my question? Why do you think that our police are not good enough? What are you saying is wrong with them?<br><br>You appear to be the only one saying that they are not good enough. I would like to know why you think that?<br><br>Regards,<br><br>_DJA<br><br><b><i>Art Deco <deco@moscow.com></i></b> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px
solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2873" name="GENERATOR"> <style></style> <div><font size="4">Donovan,</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">Is it your contention that there is nothing about the MPD that either needs improvement or is likely to need improvement in the future or actions to prevent degradation in the future?</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div><font size="4">W.</font></div> <div><font size="4"></font> </div> <div> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0% 50%; -moz-background-clip: initial; -moz-background-origin: initial;
-moz-background-inline-policy: initial;"><b>From:</b> <a title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</a> </div> <div><b>To:</b> <a title="deco@moscow.com" href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</a> </div> <div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:54 AM</div> <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police UnionStandNot a Conflict</div></div> <div><br></div><pre><tt>"Is it then<br> your contention that raising salaries and improving working <br>conditions in the MPD will not promote the hiring and retention of more <br>able, effective police officers?" Wayne Fox (Art Deco)<br><br>Wayne, sounds to me that you are saying our police are not<br>able or effective enough for Moscow. I am happy with the ones<br>we got. Why do we need to have better ones, assuming there are
better ones?<br><br><br>_DJA<br><br><br></tt></pre><br><br><b><i>Art Deco <deco@moscow.com></i></b> wrote: <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">Gary,<br><br>Is it then your contention that raising salaries and improving working <br>conditions in the MPD will not promote the hiring and retention of more <br>able, effective police officers?<br><br>W.<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "g. crabtree" <JAMPOT @adelphia.net=""><br>To: "Tom Hansen" <THANSEN @moscow.com="">; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <br><VISION2020 @moscow.com=""><br>Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 8:08 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police <br>UnionStandNot a Conflict<br><br><br>> First name familiarity and approachability are charming concepts but I <br>> really do not see how they out weigh the
negatives of the union or even <br>> enhance law enforcement in the community in any appreciable way. (this <br>> isn't Detroit or Newark after all) Perhaps it would be good if you did go <br>> on a bit longer because the only picture I get is of my tax bill going <br>> through the roof and nothing of substance to show for it, except a fatter <br>> union and big grins on a couple of councilmen.<br>><br>> gc<br>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>> From: "Tom Hansen" <THANSEN @moscow.com=""><br>> To: "'g. crabtree'" <JAMPOT @adelphia.net="">; "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <br>> <VISION2020 @moscow.com=""><br>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:28 PM<br>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police Union <br>> StandNot a Conflict<br>><br>><br>>> One MAJOR problem that the Moscow Police Department is experiencing is
<br>>> lack<br>>> of continuity. After a year officers tend to pack up and move to <br>>> "greener<br>>> pastures", primarily due to wages/salaries that are not competitive (here <br>>> in<br>>> Moscow) with other comparably-sized community police departments.<br>>> Ultimately this results in loss of quality police officers.<br>>><br>>> Establishing a police union will ensure the rights and privileges for our<br>>> police department; rights and privileges that have up until just recently<br>>> received nothing more than lip service from our city council.<br>>><br>>> Once continuity is established, the community becomes familiar with <br>>> members<br>>> of its police force. The community gains first name familiarity with the<br>>> officers responsible for protecting its streets.
This level of <br>>> familiarity<br>>> breeds a relationship where police officers become very approachable.<br>>><br>>> I could go on and on about how such a relationship benefits the<br>>> neighborhoods, but I am sure you get the picture already.<br>>><br>>> Tom Hansen<br>>> Moscow, Idaho<br>>><br>>> "If not us, who?<br>>> If not now, when?"<br>>><br>>> - Unknown<br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: g. crabtree [mailto:jampot@adelphia.net]<br>>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 6:58 PM<br>>> To: Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 2020<br>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Stout Not Wrong n Union Support / Police Union<br>>> StandNot a Conflict<br>>><br>>> Ray writes a fine letter as far as it goes. The question I have yet to <br>>>
see<br>>> answered satisfactorily is how is a unionized police force is good for <br>>> the<br>>> city and by extension the citizens? It's easy to see that it will be good<br>>> for the union. More dues. It will be good for politicians who support it.<br>>> More contributions. It might be good for the police. More wages and<br>>> benifits, perhaps. But good for the people of Moscow as a whole? That <br>>> hasn't<br>>><br>>> been established by any stretch of the imagination. In fact its not too <br>>> hard<br>>><br>>> to envision several negative outcomes that will be brought about by union<br>>> recognition not the least of which will be greatly increased costs.<br>>><br>>> gc<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>><br>><br>>
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