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<P>Sure signs of a feminist</P></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>1) Signs her name in
lowercase</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>2) Uses an initial only when signing her
name</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Note: many other clues exist, and
are readily available to the sentient</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>--Ed</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=kjajmix1@msn.com href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">keely emerinemix</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=joanopyr@moscow.com
href="mailto:joanopyr@moscow.com">joanopyr@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:31 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] Joan:
not at all dangerous</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I read this after I read Ed's screed on "real men" and "real
women." I was <BR>temted to respond to Ed, who told us that real women
know they should not <BR>hold positions of authority, that real men must
protect them and never cry <BR>-- a sign of weakness, Ed blusters. I was
appropriately revulsed, angry, <BR>and saddened.<BR><BR>Then I read
this. I know that it will feed Ed's ravenous vitriol, and that <BR>my
own husband might be caught in the smorgasbord. But what Joan wrote fed
<BR>me, too, albeit in different ways. Her analysis of Kirk
"masculinity" <BR>strikes me as right on; I wish I could take credit for
it. They are future <BR>men in every sense, although I suppose that
statement -- "future men" -- <BR>expresses certainty in what I can only hope
for them -- the attainment of <BR>full, mature, Christian masculinity.
It will look absolutely nothing like <BR>Ed, or ToeKnee, or Doug
Farris/Wilson/Jones, and a great deal like the <BR>historical
Jesus.<BR><BR>You know -- the one who wept, who upheld and respected and
encouraged women <BR>as equals, and who saved his verbal fire for the
powerful, pompous and <BR>privileged. Sorry, Ed. If your Savior is
a misanthropic blowhard, you've <BR>got the wrong one.<BR><BR>For those of you
interested in Biblical feminism, even if just to see if <BR>such a thing
exists, check out Christians for Biblical Equality at cbe.org. <BR>As we
CBE'ers say, ". . . hey, Jesus started it!"<BR><BR>Yours in radical equality
between the sexes,<BR><BR>keely<BR><BR><BR>From: Joan Opyr <<A
href="mailto:joanopyr@moscow.com">joanopyr@moscow.com</A>><BR>To:
Vision2020 Moscow <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Subject:
Re: [Vision2020] Joan: not at all dangerous<BR>Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 22:52:49
-0700<BR><BR>On May 13, 2006, at 6:53 AM, keely emerinemix
wrote:<BR><BR>>Perhaps you noticed, Tony, that Joan's threat was
conditioned on Heirdoug's <BR>>ever referring to her children in any way in
any public forum, a privilege <BR>>he most certainly does not have and yet
one he has a tendency to assume. <BR>>Your concern is for
protecting Doug's genitals; hers is for protecting her <BR>>children.
Let's hope they're both safe so you can get back to obsessing <BR>>about
whatever it is that gets you going today.<BR>><BR>>By the way, Joan is
not "man-hating." She's quite fond of my husband, and <BR>>I applaud
any friendship between my man and anyone who can discuss with him <BR>>the
peculiar joys of the Honda 70 series trail bike, which relieves me from
<BR>>ever having to repeat the embarrassment of assuming that the "70"
refers to <BR>>the year in which it was built.<BR>><BR>>Thank you,
Joan. And Tony, it's time to go wipe the foam from your mouth .
<BR>>. .<BR>><BR>>keely<BR><BR>Thank you, Keely and Chasuk, for your
eloquent defenses. As you can <BR>imagine, I don't give rat's fanny what
Tony Simpson thinks; I care very much <BR>what you do. I only want to
add a couple of observations to what you've <BR>already said. First and
most important, you will note that I never make <BR>derogatory statements
about the wives or children of Doug Farris, Dale <BR>Courtney, or Ed Cooper
Swan. They are not part of our "conversations." I <BR>find such
references to my own minor children deeply offensive. DF, DC, and
<BR>ECS know this, of course, but they have no shame -- a consequence, I
think, <BR>of their collective lack of maturity.<BR><BR>Doug Wilson has
written a book called 'Future Men.' Perhaps some of you are <BR>familiar
with it? I've come to believe that there's an unintended double
<BR>entendre in that title. In my lengthy experience with the male
members of <BR>the Kirk, all of the men are future men. There's a sad
lack of men, real <BR>adult men, in the here and now. In the rarified
atmosphere Wilson's <BR>Neverland, men play-act at being Oxford dons, or
seminary students, or <BR>professors, poets, philosophers, theologians, great
writers and great <BR>thinkers and, worst of all, jolly Victorian
patriarchs. They lay claim to <BR>authority and status, respect and
power that they have not earned and do not <BR>deserve. They lay claim
to omniscience. There is nothing that they do not <BR>pretend to know
and know well, and they speak with all the blustering <BR>inerrancy of the
precocious 14-year old. Back when Doug Wilson started <BR>Logos School,
he advertised a full classical curriculum. At the time, he <BR>was
taking Latin 101 at the University of Idaho. This qualified him to
<BR>teach Latin? Of course! Because Doug wanted to teach Latin, by
God, he was <BR>qualified to teach Latin. We should consider ourselves
lucky he didn't <BR>settle on brain surgery. Or amateur
gynecology.<BR><BR>I like men qua men; I always have. But when I say
that, I mean that I like <BR>grown-up men. I like men who are secure in
themselves; men who are secure <BR>in the knowledge that recognizing women as
equals is not a threat to their <BR>own masculinity. Being a feminist is
not about hating men; it's about <BR>respecting women. Being a lesbian
is not about hating men; it's about <BR>preferring women as sexual and life
partners. I count among my closest <BR>friends equal numbers of men and
women. I love my father-in-law, Don <BR>Huskey. He has taught me
more about what it means to be a strong man and a <BR>good parent than I could
fit into a ten-volume encyclopedia. He's a former <BR>Marine Corps
captain and the first male feminist I ever had the privilege of
<BR>meeting. (I've met many more since.) My brothers-in-law
Johnny, Micah, and <BR>Lew are fine men, terrific fathers, and close
friends. I enjoy their <BR>company. We share the same interests
and hobbies. (And, yes, we all laugh <BR>at fart jokes).<BR><BR>Keely's
husband, Jeff, is a kind and gentle man with tremendous inner
<BR>strength. It emanates from him in waves. I wouldn't hesitate
to call on <BR>him in times of trouble. I have remained very close to my
high school <BR>"boyfriends," Brian and Dave and Boris. Brother Carl
Westberg is the <BR>brother I never had. I don't hesitate to say that I
adore him, or that he <BR>is one of the finest men I have ever known. It
is my honor to call him <BR>friend. (Because he's Scandinavian, he'll be
embarrassed to death when he <BR>reads this. Sorry, Carl, but it's the
truth. You are a stellar man.)<BR><BR>The epigram at the beginning of my
book is an old saying of my <BR>grandfather's: Everything turns from
sugar to shit. I can't express what <BR>my grandfather mean to me.
He and I spent thirty-six years locked together <BR>in a mutual admiration
society. I thought he was the end-all, be-all, and <BR>he thought I was
the bee's knees. It was Ranny Watkins who taught me to <BR>stand up to
bullies; to protect my children; and to fight like hell for <BR>them. I
make no apologies for that. When I say to Doug Farris, "You may go
<BR>this far but no farther," I mean it. His dismemberment may only be
<BR>figurative; it will be verbal, not literal. But it will be a
dismemberment. <BR> I have a tongue like a machete and the will to use
it. Do not tempt me.<BR><BR>A few days ago, I emailed Doug Farris
privately. In light of Tony's <BR>juvenile frothing, I will now share
that email with the list. You'll find <BR>it below my signature.
Make of it what you will. It sums up my sentiments
<BR>exactly.<BR><BR>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment<BR><A
href="http://www.joanopyr.com">www.joanopyr.com</A><BR><BR>From: Joan
Opyr<BR>To: Doug Farris<BR>Subject: The root of your bitterness<BR><BR>What
kids, Doug? The kids I love. The kids I care for. The kids
for whom <BR>I've been saving for college since the day they were born.
The kids who <BR>know me as a devoted stay-at-home mom. The children of
my heart and my <BR>soul. There's more to family than biology,
Doug. Much, much more. I'm <BR>sorry that you seem incapable of
understanding that. I'm sorry that you <BR>find it appropriate or even
funny to be cruel to minor children who have <BR>never and would never do you
or your children any harm. I'm sorry you have <BR>so little in common
with the Christ you say you worship.<BR><BR>I'm going to leave you alone now,
Doug. In truth, I feel sorry for you. <BR>Your world is so sadly
small and circumscribed. You seem to know nothing of <BR>charity, of
generosity, or of kindness. You seem to know nothing of love.
<BR>You must feel so insecure, so alone, and so fundamentally empty.
Kicking <BR>you is like kicking the air. You're a high wind with nothing
to blow.<BR><BR>I'm doing you a mitzvah, Doug. I'm forgiving you.
And now, I'll forget
<BR>you.<BR><BR>Shalom,<BR>Joan<BR><BR><BR>_____________________________________________________<BR>
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