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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Ted,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Seventeen ignored U.N. (a leftists love
child) resolutions.... what more reason do we need?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Ted says "<FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>It's amazing how little on Vison2020 the concept of "preemptive war" used
to justify the Iraq invasion is not discussed. This is a dangerous
precedent"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>I'm not polished in historical facts, but
I know that there have been numerous preemptive wars--even
several initiated by the United States--most recently (before the current
war), the First Gulf War. No dangerous precedents were set..at least
by Bush</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>--et al</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=starbliss@gmail.com href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">Ted Moffett</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rvrcowboy@clearwire.net
href="mailto:rvrcowboy@clearwire.net">rvrcowboy</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020</A> ; <A
title=sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">Sunil Ramalingam</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 12, 2006 12:51 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Iraq WMD: Scott
Ritter, Colin Powell</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Dick et. al.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It's amazing how little on Vison2020 the concept of "preemptive war" used
to justify the Iraq invasion is not discussed. This is a dangerous
precedent that has now been set that can be used for nations to invade each
other based solely on the possibility that they might be attacked: just
manufacture some credible appearing intelligence of a threat...Iraq had not
attacked the USA, nor was there any credible evidence that Iraq was going
to. If we invaded to stop human rights abuses, why not now invade in the
Sudan/Darfur? But anyway, the argument we invaded Iraq because of human
rights abuses was not the primary argument used by the Bush administration
before the invasion: it was Iraq WMD presenting an immanent threat to the USA.
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<DIV>Dick, maybe you'd respect the opinions of an actual Iraq weapons
inspector? And also consider what Bush's former Secretary of State Colin
Powell more recently has to say about his presentation before the UN about
Iraq WMD? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>War is not an endeavor to jump into on questionable intelligence.
When one of the primary weapons inspectors who worked in Iraq is raising
warning flags before the US Iraq invasion that the claims of Iraq WMDs made by
the USA are very questionable, why was there an aggressive push for an
invasion with the repeated warning from Bush and Condi Rice of a pending
"mushroom cloud" over America? A "mushroom cloud" from nonexistent Iraq
nuclear weapons? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Former Marine intelligence operative and Iraq weapons inspector Scott
Ritter is a credible source who was raising doubts about Iraq WMD before the
US invasion:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-April/028827.html">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-April/028827.html</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And read Colin Powell's comments about his "disappointment" regarding US
intelligence failures that led him to present false information before the UN
on Iraq WMD:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-April/028812.html">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-April/028812.html</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ted Moffett<BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 5/11/06, <B
class=gmail_sendername>rvrcowboy</B> <<A
href="mailto:rvrcowboy@clearwire.net">rvrcowboy@clearwire.net</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Sunil,<BR><BR>I
have read the cite you gave about the U.N. Inspectors. I have
also read<BR>many others, some agreeing with you and some
not. The point being that <BR>having inspectors in Iraq is not
the same as those inspectors being allowed<BR>to inspect. It is
easy to pick just one cite and base your whole opinion<BR>set on it without
taking into account that nearly all news sources today are <BR>not fair and
balanced on any topic. Picking one that supports your
own<BR>personal views without researching others that do not just isn't
honest. To<BR>be honest with you, I do not, at this time, believe
the inspectors were <BR>being allowed to do their job, even though they were
allowed to be in<BR>country.<BR><BR>As for why we went to Iraq in the first
place. You know, as well as I, we<BR>could argue that
forever. I do believe there was intelligence, right or <BR>wrong,
indicating Saddam had WMD. Even Saddam appeared to give
the<BR>impression he did, perhaps just to keep his enemies at bay, who
knows? I do<BR>believe Iraq, under Saddam, was a state sponsor of
terrorism. I also <BR>believe that because of our involvement in
Iraq, we most likely have not<BR>experienced another 9/11 situation here in
our own country.<BR><BR>I believe we are still there because the Iraqi
military is not yet ready to <BR>defend the new government and its
people. Again, this is a topic we could<BR>argue for a long time
but that is what I believe to be the main reason. Why<BR>do you
think we are?<BR><BR>I do not know if we were 100% justified in the Iraqi
invasion or not. <BR>Perhaps no one will ever know. I do not,
however, believe there were secret<BR>agendas and hidden motives behind
it. For example, all the libs were<BR>screaming it was just for
oil, well, where the hell is the oil? We could <BR>certainly use
some of it.<BR><BR>Bottom line is that I do not feel guilty because we
invaded Iraq. I believe<BR>Saddam could have prevented it if he
had chosen too do so. I also do not<BR>discount all the human
suffering and torture under his regime. When we add <BR>up the
Iraqi death tolls, we should ask ourselves who is inflicting them and<BR>how
many people were dying annually under Saddam's regime.<BR><BR>Sometimes good
men are compelled to do the right thing. Also, good men, <BR>like
all men, sometimes make mistakes. Still, all in all, I believe we
are<BR>on the right track despite all the hatred from the left trying to
spread<BR>quilt on Americans for trying to do the right thing.<BR><BR>That
is my opinion. You are welcome to yours but I will never
understand <BR>why people hate their own President more than the henious
dictators of<BR>countries who kill their own people without
remorse.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Dick S.<BR>----- Original Message
-----<BR>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" < <A
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com">sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</A>><BR>To:
<<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Sent:
Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:38 PM<BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] When good men do
nothing... <BR><BR><BR>> Why did we go there, Dick? Why are we
still there? And what about Bush's<BR>> statements about the
inspectors?<BR>><BR>> Sunil<BR>><BR>><BR>> >From:
"rvrcowboy" <<A href="mailto:rvrcowboy@clearwire.net">
rvrcowboy@clearwire.net</A>><BR>> >To: "Vision2020" <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>>
>Subject: [Vision2020] When good men do nothing...<BR>> >Date: Thu,
11 May 2006 13:48:44 -0700 <BR>> ><BR>> >Neatly tucked at the
end of every Saundra Lund tirade is this quote by<BR>> >Edmund
Burke:<BR>> >"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for
good people to<BR>do<BR>> >nothing."<BR>> >- Edmund
Burke<BR>> ><BR>> >I think the Kurds, along with many others, in
Iraq would agree<BR>> >wholeheartedly with this
statement. If we pull out now and go back to <BR>> >doing
"nothing" evil will once again openly triumph in Iraq. Don't
you<BR>> >think so Saundra?<BR>> ><BR>> >Dick
S.<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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