Is this NoSuperWalmart group an unbiased group? Or should we be taking the information with a giant grain of salt?<br> <br> According to a poll conducted by the White House, George Bush has a 69% approval rating. 90% stated that they preferred George Bush to be their President.<br> <br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>Mark Solomon <msolomon@moscow.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> For those who are interested, the Retail Demand <br>analysis prepared by CLUE Group, DC and presented <br>to city council on 5/1 can be downloaded at<br><br>http://www.nosuperwalmart.com<br><br>I'd be interested in hearing comments on the <br>report. A summary might read that we <br>(Whitman/Latah) are an isolated retail market <br>area and as such have only so many shopping <br>dollars to spend. Adding retail space shifts <br>where/how those dollars are spent, but does not <br>create additional
retail dollars. Forecasting 10 <br>years out, the two categories which need more <br>space are furniture/home furnishings and <br>gasoline/automotive supplies/repairs and that <br>could likely be accommodated with either existing <br>vacant spaces or lands already zoned for motor <br>business.<br><br>Full disclosure: the report was commissioned by <br>nosuperwalmart. However, UI economist Steve <br>Petersen, testifying in support of the rezone, <br>came to the same factual determinations as to <br>available retail $$ in the area, but a different <br>conclusion (we need to compete directly with <br>Pullman to keep their dollars that are currently <br>being spent in Moscow - about $100 million <br>annually - by building more retail space). As <br>I've posted earlier, his conclusion is based on <br>assuming several underlying restraints on <br>development in Whitman County have remained in <br>place, which in fact, they haven't.<br><br>Thoughts?<br><br>Mark
Solomon<br><br>At 8:08 AM -0700 5/10/06, joekc@adelphia.net wrote:<br>>Apologies to Nils but I wanted to partake in the endless rant one more time!<br>><br>>I am not against either WinCo or the existing <br>>Wal-mart and for the reason you note. They save <br>>money and it is plausible that people will spend <br>>that saved money elsewhere. With a Super <br>>Wal-Mart, things are very different. Why go <br>>anywhere else?<br>><br>>There is nothing "condescending" about this <br>>observation either. It is based on my own <br>>personal experience. When I go shopping with my <br>>kid I tend not to stop at 3 or 4 different <br>>places if everything I need and want is at one <br>>place.<br>><br>>Nor should we talk about disposable income in <br>>the abstract, as you suggest. In the abstract, <br>>asprin is good but if you take a whole bottle of <br>>it, it will kill you. I feel the same way about <br>>low-cost and
convenience. Both are good in the <br>>abstract but too much of both -- in the form of <br>>a single Super WalMart -- will kill the local <br>>economy.<br>><br>>Lastly, I don't know what planet you are from <br>>but on my planet philosophy professors do not <br>>make a lot of money! I have shopped at WalMart, <br>>I continue to shop at WinCo, and I don't blame <br>>anyone for shopping at either.<br>><br>>--<br>>Joe Campbell<br>><br>>---- deaconjames@verizon.net wrote:<br>><br>>=============<br>>Yes, I often consider myself Reagan. Why?<br>><br>>You say, "There is no reason to think that the <br>>'savings' will eventually trickle down to us." <br>>Are you expecting a check to show up in your <br>>mailbox? When you say this, you sound a lot like <br>>you are saying, "I'm looking out for me and <br>>mine; screw those poor people who don't have a <br>>professor's salary."<br>><br>>Let's think
about this in the abstract, <br>>completely aside from WalMart. Is increased <br>>disposable income a) good for the local economy, <br>>b) bad for the local economy, or c) doesn't have <br>>any effect on the local economy? If a), then we <br>>can discuss whether or not WalMart would <br>>increase disposable income. If b) or c), then we <br>>can discuss the merits of your thinking on this <br>>point.<br>><br>>And by the way, my wife shops for us at Walmart <br>>and Winco, and the money that we save shopping <br>>there allows us to spend money at other stores <br>>around town that we otherwise wouldn't be able <br>>to. You sound so condescending when you say, <br>>"Why not suppose that they will just spend the <br>>increased income at Walmart, where they are <br>>going to shop anyway."<br>><br>>People who shop at Walmart are humans, Joe, not <br>>mindless, Walmart-adoring drones. They are <br>>trying to save some
money; that's all.<br>><br>>Take care,<br>><br>>Deacon<br>><br>>From: joekc@adelphia.net<br>>Date: Tue May 09 17:54:37 CDT 2006<br>>To: deaconjames@verizon.net<br>>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<br>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Council Must Reject Rezone<br>><br>>Are you Reagan?<br>>--<br>>Joe Campbell<br>><br>>---- deaconjames@verizon.net wrote:<br>><br>>=============<br>>Are you serious?<br>><br>>From: joekc@adelphia.net<br>>Date: Tue May 09 17:18:07 CDT 2006<br>>To: deaconjames@verizon.net<br>>Cc: vision2020@moscow.com<br>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Council Must Reject Rezone<br>><br>>Why not suppose that they will just spend the <br>>increased income at Walmart, where they are <br>>going to shop anyway. There is no reason to <br>>think that the 'savings' will eventually trickle <br>>down to us.<br>><br>>--<br>>Joe Campbell<br>><br>>---- deaconjames@verizon.net
wrote:<br>><br>>=============<br>>Let's put in terms of groceries, then: $.30 can <br>>of tuna vs. $.50 can of tuna. It's a better <br>>comparison anyway, because both are the same <br>>product and both will be consumed and forgotten.<br>><br>>Bottom line: increased disposable income, which <br>>leads to increased prosperity in the region.<br>><br>>Take care,<br>><br>>Deacon<br>><br>>From: Tom Hansen <thansen @moscow.com=""><br>>Date: Tue May 09 14:46:02 CDT 2006<br>>To: deaconjames@verizon.net, vision2020@moscow.com<br>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Council Must Reject Rezone<br>><br>>Deacon James stated:<br>><br>>"If someone spends $10 on a toaster instead of $20, they have $10 extra<br>>dollars to spend on something else they otherwise would not have been able<br>>to purchase."<br>><br>>Yet, if that same "someone" found it necessary to purchase that same<br>>ten-dollar toaster three times each
year (due to lesser quality), while<br>>his/her neighbor "someone else" purchased the twenty-dollar toaster that<br>>lasted twelve months, someone else would "have $10 extra dollars to spend on<br>>something else they otherwise would not have been able to purchase."<br>><br>>Something else to think about,<br>><br>>Tom Hansen<br>>Moscow, Idaho<br>><br>>"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change<br>>and the REALIST adjusts his sails."<br>><br>>- Unknown<br>><br>>_____________________________________________________<br>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> http://www.fsr.net <br>> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>>ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ<br><br><br>_____________________________________________________<br> List services made
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