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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Hey Mat,</SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Student teaching is over;
and yes, it was formal work attire--with a tie about half the time. Fridays were
dress-down days though, luckily. </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">You had some great points,
as did Keely, regarding why teachers quit. I believe pay is a huge factor, even
in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
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w:st="on">Washington</st1:place></st1:State>, where teachers are paid quite a
bit more than their neighbor to the east. I would be taking an 80% pay cut if I
decided to take a teaching position. It's either teaching or law school at U of
I... yehaw!! </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Yes, the lack of respect
is a problem in school as well. Parents very seldom support the teachers as they
religiously did when I was in school a few years back (60's, 70's, 80's). This,
I believe, is a societal/culture issue due to a host of --mostly
liberal resultant--factors that I'll spare ye. </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">Yes, the ACLU and NLG are
at work in our Nation's schools as well. The slightest wrong move or slip, even
well intended, will be the end of your career...</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'">I've sometimes called
teachers glorified babysitters as well... Nevertheless, I think that
respect is earned (not asked for) by something much more
substantive than appearance. A well thought out classroom management
plan is a good place to start for success in and out of the classroom.
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">My
classroom management style is not <I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">laissez-faire</I>, not authoritarian, or one
of indifference, but an authoritative controlled environment that places
limitations but also encourages independence; I am polite but firm. My
management style is also related to my teaching style as I would rather guide
the students rather than lead them. I use the constructivist approach, a method
that incorporates a student-centered process through active involvement and
utilizing prior knowledge while encouraging responsibility and
autonomy.</SPAN><SPAN
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">I,
too, know numerous teachers that have left the profession only a couple years
into their career. Pay, stress, unattainable expectations (from new NCLB act),
no parental support, no discipline in school or support from admin in
disciplinary procedings, and much more...are all reasons used to justify a
career change…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">--Ed
( "the Incessant Strobe")...more like a beacon of truth</SPAN></P></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=donboy22@hotmail.com href="mailto:donboy22@hotmail.com">Donatelo
Juan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ecooper@turbonet.com
href="mailto:ecooper@turbonet.com">ecooper@turbonet.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:56
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Spam] Re: [Vision2020] RE: Half
of teachers quit</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi visionaries,<BR><BR>I think Keely has some good
points. I don't think any teacher goes into the <BR>job thinking they
are going to make a lot of money, but what they do find in <BR>those first
years can be a salary which does not allow them to repay loans <BR>and
eat. Is there a papered professional that makes less than a entry level
<BR>teacher in Idaho?<BR><BR>I know a number of former teachers that have left
the field from fear of <BR>being sued by former students, accussed by current
students, harassed by <BR>students and their parents.<BR><BR>How about
respect? The USA is great about giving lip service to respect, <BR>but
really do we as a nation respect the job that teachers perform, the <BR>hours
they work? No<BR><BR>Why not? Consumers do not pay the teacher,
the government does, so it seems <BR>free. But man if they put ketchup
on that 79 cent hamburger, which you <BR>wanted with out, here comes the
concern. As long as little Johnny gets a <BR>70.1 the world is
good. Is the educational system in America simply large <BR>scale day
care?<BR><BR>Teachers do you ask for respect? Again I don't mean lip
service. Do you <BR>show up to work in a shirt and tie or in something
else? Does the guy at <BR>Les Schwab look more professional than you
do? Ed are you going to wear a <BR>shirt and tie when you student teach
or are you going to dress in attire for <BR>your other
job?<BR><BR><BR><BR>>A big "Amen" to Keely's reasoning (about why teachers
quit, not her RWR <BR>>slam), from "an incessant strobe reflecting off
nothing more substantial <BR>>than a mirrored ball in a poorly lit
disco"<BR>><BR>>--AKA, Ed<BR>> ----- Original Message
-----<BR>> From: keely emerinemix<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:donboy22@hotmail.com">donboy22@hotmail.com</A>
;<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:14 PM<BR>>
Subject: [Spam] [Vision2020] RE: Half of teachers
quit<BR>><BR>><BR>> Perhaps, Mat, they live in a town
that has a large group of people who, <BR>>for<BR>> reasons
they claim are found in their religious beliefs, treat them
like<BR>> emissaries of Satan himself and who pray for the
destruction of public<BR>> schools.<BR>><BR>>
Or maybe it's because neo-conservatives and libertarians who are experts
<BR>>in<BR>> running shoe stores and pencil factories
believe that the same <BR>>market-based<BR>> philosophies
can and should be applied to public schools, whose <BR>>"product"
is<BR>> vastly more complex than running shoes and soft-lead
pencils, but which<BR>> lacks serious representation in the
halls of power.<BR>><BR>> Perhaps it's that many "liberals"
have abandoned public schools and the<BR>> public good in favor
of idyllic and isolated lives that neglect the
<BR>>children<BR>> and families they once swore, over cheap
beer and chips, that they'd <BR>>fight<BR>>
for.<BR>><BR>> And it may have something to do with the
method of parenting, or lack<BR>> thereof, that these children
receive at home, which turns them over to <BR>>the<BR>>
crudest elements of society via media and electronics and then
produces<BR>> combative or uninterested parents who can't
believe and don't care that<BR>> anything's wrong with their
child.<BR>><BR>> Finally, it may have to do with the obscene
way we fund public schools,<BR>> which virtually screams its
disregard for children from kindergarten <BR>>through<BR>>
college and cheers mightily at a bloated war budget, tax cuts for
the<BR>> wealthy, and a runaway economy that leaves those most
dependent on <BR>>education<BR>> the least likely to receive
a good one.<BR>><BR>> Whatever the answer, Mat, it can be
traced back to one thing: a lack of<BR>> clear, solid,
committed, generous and vocal support for public schools,
<BR>>from<BR>> the crankiest lone voter all the way to the
halls of the White House, <BR>>and<BR>> this, I believe, is
the single biggest issue facing our nation.<BR>><BR>>
keely<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: "Donatelo Juan" <<A
href="mailto:donboy22@hotmail.com">donboy22@hotmail.com</A>><BR>>
To: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR>>
Subject: [Vision2020] Half of new teachers quit<BR>> Date: Tue,
09 May 2006 21:49:07 +0000<BR>><BR>> Hi
Visionaries,<BR>><BR>> I thought I would introduce a new
topic. Please read this article on
<BR>>MSN:<BR>><BR>>
<BR>>http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2628&ncid=2628&e=27&u=/nm/20060509/us_nm/life_teachers_dc_2<BR>><BR>>
I really do understand why most teachers leave teaching. My question
<BR>>are<BR>> simple. Why are the salaries so low for
beginning teachers?<BR>><BR>> "The kids were wonderful to be
with, but the stress of everything that <BR>>went<BR>> with
it and the low pay did not make it hard to leave,"<BR>><BR>>
Why are most of the teachers in their mid 40, white and
religious?<BR>><BR>> "The study, which the association
released last week ahead of its annual<BR>> salute to teachers
on Tuesday, also found today's average teacher is a<BR>>
married, 43-year-old white woman who is religious"<BR>><BR>>
Why are there not more men?<BR>> Can a new teacher support a
family with an entry teaching salary?<BR>> These 43 year old
teachers, Are they second income families, single
<BR>>income<BR>> families, single parent families supported
additionally with child <BR>>support<BR>>
payments?<BR>><BR>> Just some questions.<BR>>
Mat<BR>><BR>>
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