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<DIV><FONT size=4>Cowboy Dick,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>You are ignoring the issue:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>What is the evidence for your knowledge claim that the Bible
is the "living Word" of some alleged god?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Instead of giving evidence, you have only reasserted the
knowledge claim (by faith [read hope]), not given evidence. Anyone can
have faith in anything; that is not evidence! That someone believes "X is
true" is not evidence that "X is true" unless that claim is supported by other
evidence.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Why should other people be guide by moral strictures based
upon an unevidenced claim evinced by you or anyone else?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=rvrcowboy@clearwire.net
href="mailto:rvrcowboy@clearwire.net">rvrcowboy</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art
Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 05, 2006 5:33 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Beastiality and Incest</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Wayne,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have faith that the Bible is the living Word of
God. I know you most likely have little faith in anything other than your
own opinions. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't really care what you believe, as far as the
Bible and God go. I also don't care what you think about my beliefs.
I also am not going to spend time trying to convince someone with a closed mind
toward my beliefs that I am right.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You can claim that "God" is only "alleged" if you
want and I respect your right to believe it. To me God is a real part of
my life. I am not ashamed to admit it and also not ashamed to tell you
that I believe I am a better person for that belief.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I base my premise for discussion on my beliefs,
just as everyone does. You base yours on whatever you wish. It is of
little consequence to me, nor should it be.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dick</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 05, 2006 1:25 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Beastiality and
Incest</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Cowboy Dick,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I don't remember getting a response from you to the
following from an earlier post. Did I miss your response? I look
forward to it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>However, I repeat the question and hope for a real
response, not a near emotional meltdown:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=4><STRONG>How do you know that the Bible is the
word of some alleged God?</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>You claim in your posts that the Bible is the word of some
alleged god. In doing so you are making a knowledge claim -- claiming
that certain statements are true of reality. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>A knowledge claim needs to be supported by evidence,
especially if that claim is to used to restrict the freedom and joy of others.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>If I said that pollution from </FONT><FONT
size=4>the Potlatch Industries operation in Lewiston elevates
the risk of cancer for Lewiston residents, you would expect and would be
justified in your expectation that I produce clear, cogent, and verifiable
evidence that such a knowledge claim is true. That is exactly what
is being asked of your knowledge claim that the Bible is the word of some
alleged God.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>After claiming that the Bible is "the word of God," you
then use only your interpretation of words from the Bible to attempt to
justify your imposition of behavioral standards on others.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>You see the problem: If you cannot justify your
underlying knowledge claim, then you cannot justify the moral pronouncements
and their restrictions on individuals' personal freedom that are based on that
unsupported knowledge claim.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>More than two-thirds of the population of the
world do not agree the Bible is the word of some god. Again: What
clear, cogent, verifiable evidence do you offer for the truth of your
knowledge claim that the Bible is the word of some alleged God?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco <STRONG><FONT color=#008000 size=5>(Wayne A.
Fox)<BR></FONT></STRONG><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=rvrcowboy@clearwire.net
href="mailto:rvrcowboy@clearwire.net">rvrcowboy</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:30 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Beastiality and Incest</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I sincerely hope people here do not take this
post the wrong way but there is a question that has been troubling me for some
time. As far as I know, and believe me I am no expert here, many of the
same cites in the Bible which speak directly about homosexuality also speak
directly about beastiality and incest. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have heard people justify their homosexual acts
by stating that these passages of the Bible also ban other things, like eating
pork, etc.. Since many here are openly homosexual, or gay if you prefer,
I would like very much to know your views on beastiality and incest. Do
you believe these are also a matter of choice that the Bible does not take
seriously? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please believe me, I am not trying to stir the
pot with this question in any way. I am truly curious about your
views on these things. I am aware that some of you are not practicing
Christians so the Bible passages probably mean nothing to you. Still, I
would like to know your feelings.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you do not want to answer within the forum you
may answer outside of it and please request that I do not ever refer to your
response here and I won't, if that is your wish. I am not asking this to
put anyone down. I am truly curious, that's all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dick Sherwin</FONT></DIV>
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