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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joan,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What difference does it make if I know you or
not? And, I looked through several translations of the Bible before
answering you. That's why I did not answer until now, even though you
wrote this rubbish on the 22nd. I also used several different reference
materials to research this and spoke with the pastor of my church about
it. I believe I understand this passage fairly well.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Your need to justify your sexual preference is
obviously overriding your good sense. I don't read Greek, or Coptic, or
Aramic. Do you? Your liberal ranting and rattling on with supposed
academic prowess is irrelevent anyway. This passage is clear in its
meaning if taken in the context in which it is contained.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Do you actually believe that, despite all the cites
in the Bible condeming homosexuality, this one slightly suggestive (at least to
you) cite justifies your sin? You need to get a life if you do. I
personally do not care what you believe, I only wish to set the record
straight to others that you are dead wrong in you perverted
translation.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Play all the word games you wish, it will not
change the fact that you only wish there was a passage, any passage, anywhere in
the Bible to justify your lifestyle. Your desperate need is reaveled in
your own words:
Sorry........... <FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> "Now, tell me
exactly how it is that you know what David and Jonathan got up to when the
lights were out? Were you a fly on the wall?" </FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>I have no idea what you are talking about as for messing around with you
name. Is that another problem you have? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't care about your ethnic background, that does not make you an expert
on anything as far as I am concerned. Of what relevance is it in this
discussion anyway? And you can group me with whomever you please as
an excuse to diminish me in your own mind but I don't know these people you
refer too. </DIV>
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<DIV>Get off the intellectual supueriority band wagon. You are not
impressing anyone with it anyway. </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dick</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=joanopyr@moscow.com href="mailto:joanopyr@moscow.com">Joan Opyr</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rvrcowboy@clearwire.net
href="mailto:rvrcowboy@clearwire.net">rvrcowboy</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:47
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Joan Opyr on
4/22/2006</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR>On Apr 26, 2006, at 1:17 PM, rvrcowboy wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman>Ed is forgetting, of
course, that "the soul of Jonathan was bound to the soul of David, and
Jonathan loved him as his own soul. Then Jonathan made a covenant with
David, because he loved him as his own soul." 1 Samuel 18. So much for
Bathsheba. Uriah the Hittite bit the dust for nothing.<?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman> <?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman>Joan
Opyr 4/22/2006<?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller> <?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman>What is Joan trying to
make us believe here? That David and Jonathan engaged in homosexual
activities with each other? That is crazy, but then again, who should
be surprised at that from Joan?<?/fontfamily><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Do I know
you Dick? Have we ever met? I don't think so. Unless, of course, we've sat
down next to one another at Effie's and dined side by side on giant burgers
without knowing it. Could be . . . <BR><BR>Now, tell me what you know about
Biblical translation, or translation period? Do you read Coptic? Or Greek?
How's your Aramaic? Which translation of the Bible do you use? Do you have a
concordance? Do you use it? (Please bear in mind that a translation is not the
same thing as a version.) Now, tell me exactly how it is that you know what
David and Jonathan got up to when the lights were out? Were you a fly on the
wall? That was what, 3,500 years ago? No wonder you're retired.<BR><BR>What we
do know about Jonathan's relationship with David is that, according to the
"crazy" verse I cited, Jonathan loved David with a love surpassing, so much so
that he bound his soul to David's. What do you call that kind of relationship?
Just good friends?<BR><BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman>This chapter and verse is
taken completely out of context and has nothing to do with homosexual
activity what-so-ever but with the bond between David and Jonathan (Saul's
son) as friends. Joan has obviously never had a friend she trusted or
loved with her soul. Or, perhaps, not one that she has not had sex
with anyway.<?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller> <?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman>To offer up this text
as evidence that homosexuality is accepted in the Bible is ludicrous and
bordering on blasphemy. Talk about a stretch of the imagination....
WOW!<?/fontfamily><BR><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller><?x-tad-smaller> <?/x-tad-smaller><?/smaller><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR><?fontfamily><?param Times New Roman>Dick<?/fontfamily><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I
take nothing out of context, Dick -- not this Biblical verse and not your
crude assumptions about my friendships and my sex life. I am blessed in my
family and my friendships, and I can name at least a dozen people in whom I
trust completely. I've only "had sex" with one of them. As for evidence that
homosexuality was accepted in the Bible, who said that's why I offered up this
verse? I offered it to demonstrate that gay and lesbian relationships are a
fact of life as old as time; that men have loved men and women have loved
women for as long as there have been men and women. There are, I believe, 17
references to same-sex relations in the Bible. Most do condemn homosexuality.
But the Bible also condemns the eating of shellfish and the wearing of blended
fabrics, and it condones (among other things) murder, rape, and incest. Tell
me what's uplifting and moral about the slaughter of the Amakelites or the
story of Lot having sex with his daughters, and perhaps I'll listen to your
ranting against same-sex marriage. <BR><BR>You think way too much about gay
sex, Dick -- and so do Doug Farris, Dale Courtney, and our little swan, Ed
"Cooper." I can assure you that we gay folk think very little about your sex
lives. We prefer to hold onto our lunches.<BR><BR>Joan Opyr/Auntie
Establishment<BR>www.joanopyr.com<BR><BR>PS: Your ideas of blasphemy, Dick, do
not correspond with Jewish tradition. The devout Jew is encouraged to
l'hakshot, meaning the asking of probing, difficult questions. We are to take
nothing at face value. Our religion requires a dialog with God -- a dialog
that you'll find in the midrash, thousands of years of recorded commentary on
the Hebrew scriptures. We Jews are not only allowed but expected to ask
questions of God, and it is not blasphemy to question the scriptures. Far from
it. It's fine to be a sheep; it's not so hot to be a lemming.<BR>PPS: I am of
English, Welsh, Scottish and Ukrainian Jewish descent. My name is pronounced
with a hard "j." I'll thank you to stop playing around with it. Honestly, if
my name were Dick, I'd think twice before I messed with anyone else's moniker
-- even if it were I. P. Freely.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>