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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tom, Nils,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The more I ponder this thread the more I
wonder about when trophy lawns became important. Do any of you on this site
have any recollection of what yards looked like in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> in the 1950’s, 60’s etc.?
Water then had to be more expensive, has cheap water (like cheap gas pushing
us into larger vehicles) been responsible for the near putting green perfection
that many property owners strive for? I would answer my own question with an
absolute yes. Which leads me down the rabbit trail a little further, instead
of putting effort into shaming people into purchasing items they cannot afford
(such as the toilets, washing machines, rain barrels) why not shift Moscow’s
attitude with regard to the need for a perfect yard? Ball field? soccer field?
Why not promote the yard of the 1950’s, green but not lush; functional but
not high maintenance? I have a strong feeling that if you could cut the use
of perfectly good water for irrigation then <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City></st1:place>’s water crisis would come to an end.
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Unless the city has changed how they water
the various ball fields since I have moved from the area I know they could cut
back with irrigation at Gormley, and <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Mountain
View</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Parks</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>.
Heck, I remember standing in both of those fields in late July just a few years
ago with water squishing on my flip flops and those pesky little bugs biting my
feet wondering why in the heck do they water these fields like this. My kids
would finish a soccer or baseball game covered in mud because of all the water
on the fields. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I don’t think anyone would have to
tear their lawns out and put in a rock garden or let the yard go totally dead
every summer, just cut back the use of water and chemicals to the point where
like I said earlier, the grass is green but not growing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Tom Ivie
[mailto:the_ivies3@yahoo.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 25, 2006
11:11 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Chris Storhok;
vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vision2020] Other
topics-- was: Water. Where do you stand on theissue?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thanks Chris. I will try the zeolite. I let me grass
completely go dormant a couple of years ago and it caused some problems.
I am going to try leaving it a bit taller, I definitely have had to seed due to
my not watering a couple of yrs ago and it really thinned out, and the
zeolite. <br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Chris Storhok
<cstorhok@co.fairbanks.ak.us></span></i></b> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Assuming you have a yard the cheapest and
easiest way to cut back water usage is to cut way back on watering the grass.
When I lived down there I cut back watering the grass to the point that
the grass was barely green and it did not grow fast enough to mow. If you
do it right you will not have the dead brown yard look but you will not have to
mow either. I had found that during the hottest days of summer that
really I had to water less than once a week and usually less than ĵ an inch
total. I seeded my yard each fall with various fescues including the <u1:State u2:st="on"><u1:place u2:st="on"><st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Idaho</u1:place></u1:State></st1:place></st1:State>
fescue, <i><span style='font-style:italic'>Festuca idahoensis</span></i> which
is available at the UI (or at least used to be). My seeding technique was
simple, I just threw seed into my yard (or let the kids do) in early fall and
left it alone. My yard plan was based on my simple principles
of: I hate watering, I hate mowing, but I also hate dead yards (the kids
really complained and besides a dry dead yard is one heck of a fire hazard).
The other yard trick I used was to broadcast zeolites around the yard.
You can obtain zeolite for around $20 for a 50 pound bag at most
landscape businesses. Zeolite helps your yard through absorbing
water and ammonium into the mineral, grass will grow a fine root around the
mineral and slowly draw out what it needs. I am trying these same
techniques up here in North Pole and will know later this year if my cheap
attempts at saving water work.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hope all is well,<br>
Chris Storhok <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.co m [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Tom Ivie<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:06
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Other
topics-- was: Water. Where do you stand on theissue?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>In regards to the last issue "where do you stand": I
want to conserve. But it costs me more to conserve than I can
afford. The cheapest rain barrel I can find is $100 plus shipping, I need
at least 4 of them. I don't have the money to purchase a new front load washer
and would have a hard time justifying it w ithout an old broken one. I
can't afford to put in a sprinkler system (I would love to have one).
Sure, I got a 3% increase in pay this year, but my groceries, gasoline,
clothing, health care insurance, and basically all consumables have increased
this year by more than 3%. I pay twice as much for water as my counter
parts in southern <u1:State u2:st="on"><u1:place u2:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Idaho</u1:place></u1:State></st1:place></st1:State>. And I
just found out I will have to pay out $4000 on braces for a child. What
do you do? Where do you start? I have low flush toilets and a
water saver shower head (you can get that shower head free from the city!).
What else can I do? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<i><span style='font-style:italic'><! B>Nils Peterson
<nils_peterson@wsu.edu></span></i> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Decker and Chasuk have opened related discussions on economic and
population<br>
growth. Perhaps those are impossible to separate from the question of water,<br>
but I'd like to ask that someone else lead those discussions as new threads.<br>
<br>
We have several issues hanging out:<br>
* Marginal cost of new water resources<br>
* Fiscal impact of conservation on the City & water rates (fixed &
marginal<br>
costs)<br>
* Water budget, paying for new uses of water by conserving on current uses<br>
* Pressurized irrigation<br>
* East Moscow water treatment plant<br>
* And where to you stand: must conserve, painless conservation, don't<br>
conserve<br>
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Plus a wiki page to compile our information<br>
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On 4/24/06 11:06 PM, "Matt Decker" <MATTD2107@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote:<br>
<br>
> <br>
> Nils,<br>
> <br>
> I'm al! l ears. What would you suggest we do? Nils you said "Make
changes in<br>
> current policy and procedure that aim to conserve the<br>
>> aquifer by changing personal and collective behaviors".<br>
> I would open too consideration, without the anti growth aspect of it all.
If<br>
> we are going to continue to grow and have a future for our children here
in<br>
> <u1:place u2:st="on"><u1:City u2:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City
w:st="on">Moscow</u1:City></st1:City> <u1:State u2:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</u1:State></u1:place></st1:State></st1:place>
we need to figure out if A. We have a water issue. B. how to<br>
> solve is reasonably. C. do it so we can maintain who we are as Moscowanians.<br>
> <br>
> There should allways be growth. To ignore this(not saying you or others
are,<br>
> just stating) will be the day this town becomes haunted by ghosts.<br>
> <br>
> matt<br>
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Chasuk replied:<br>
On 4/24/06, Matt Decker <MATTD2107@HOTMAIL.COM>wrote:<br>
<br>
> If we are going to continue to grow and have a future for our children
here in<br>
> <u1:City u2:st="on"><u1:place u2:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</u1:place></u1:City></st1:place></st1:City><br>
<br>
I hope that this isn't a naive question. It certainly isn't meant<br>
disingen! uously. But here it is: why is growth important? A town<br>
isn't a corporation, in a business sense, so we don't have<br>
shareholders to pay or a CEO. Therefore, what is the benefit of<br>
growth? For myself, <u1:City u2:st="on"><u1:place u2:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Moscow</u1:place></u1:City></st1:place></st1:City> is the perfect
size; that's why I live<br>
here (amongst other reasons).<br>
<br>
I guess I am anti-growth, if growth means increased congestion and<br>
more crime and more anonymity.<br>
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