Most apartments in Moscow have the water included in the rent. If land owners offered reduced rents and made the tenants pay for water, it would probably be reduce consumption.<br> <br> There is no financial incentive for most the people in Moscow to conserve water.<br> <br> If you cut rent if I used less water, I and other apartment dwellers would probably devise ways to reduce water consumption like we do with utility costs.<br> <br> This would save at least 1-5% on water use. <br> <br> Just a thought.<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>Bruce and Jean Livingston <jeanlivingston@turbonet.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> What is the estimated payback time for water cost savings to make up the <br>cost of a new low flow toilet? Explain any assumptions necessary to the <br>explanation/answer.<br><br>Bruce Livingston<br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From:
"Mark Solomon" <msolomon @moscow.com=""><br>To: "Nils Peterson" <nils_peterson @wsu.edu="">; <vision2020 @moscow.com=""><br>Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:30 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water: willing to conserve but can't afford to<br><br><br>> It's not older homes that are at issue as much as some of the first models <br>> of low flush toilets just weren't designed well enough. I just installed <br>> one in our house in town (very much an older house with known roots in the <br>> pipes issues) and it works great. Has a half flush option at 0.8 <br>> gallons/use. See a similar model at the Natural Abode in beautiful and <br>> vibrant downtown Moscow.<br>><br>> m.<br>><br>> At 2:58 PM -0700 4/25/06, Nils Peterson wrote:<br>>>Tom Ivey illustrates at least one type of person who would occupy the <br>>>middle<br>>>position in my "Where do you stand" thread: willing, but unable.<br>>><br>>>Thanks for the
lawn-related suggestions. They sound cost effective.<br>>><br>>>The toilet upgrade plan discussed earlier, if funded by new water users as <br>>>I<br>>>offered, might work for Ivey. He would get a new throne and the feel good<br>>>from saving water, with no cash outlay.<br>>><br>>>My wife points out that she has heard there is an issue for some older <br>>>homes<br>>>whose plumbing does not work well with low flow... We are guessing that<br>>>things just don't move along well with less water.<br>>><br>>>So, the City's program would need a means to evaluate a home for being a<br>>>candidate to participate. Not much different than the phone company<br>>>investigating if you can have DSL.<br>>><br>>>So, what we have here is a voluntary program that saves water, at no cost <br>>>to<br>>>the would-be saver, and transfers the savings of water to a would-be
new<br>>>water user when they get a building permit.<br>>><br>>>What is missing to put this into action?<br>>>1. Deciding to adopt and become strict about adhering to the PBAC water<br>>>budget.<br>>>2. Building the mechanism to swap the toilets (or other conservation<br>>>measures)<br>>>3. Securing funding for #2.<br>>><br>>>Anything missing?<br>>>Does this list have the political will to support this idea?<br>>>How would you go about selling it (or defeating it)?<br>>><br>>><br>>>On 4/25/06 10:06 AM, "vision2020-request@moscow.com"<br>>><vision2020-request @moscow.com=""> wrote:<br>>><br>>>> In regards to the last issue "where do you stand": I want to conserve. <br>>>> But<br>>>> it costs me more to conserve than I can afford. The cheapest rain <br>>>> barrel I<br>>>> can find is $100 plus shipping, I need at least 4 of
them. I don't have <br>>>> the<br>>>> money to purchase a new front load washer and would have a hard time<br>>>> justifying it without an old broken one. I can't afford to put in a <br>>>> sprinkler<br>>>> system (I would love to have one). Sure, I got a 3% increase in pay <br>>>> this<br>>>> year, but my groceries, gasoline, clothing, health care insurance, and<br>>>> basically all consumables have increased this year by more than 3%. I <br>>>> pay<br>>>> twice as much for water as my counter parts in southern Idaho. And I <br>>>> just<br>>>> found out I will have to pay out $4000 on braces for a child. What do <br>>>> you do?<br>>>> Where do you start? I have low flush toilets and a water saver shower <br>>>> head<br>>>> (you can get that shower head free from the city!). What else can I <br>>>>
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