Some of us take showers, wash our clothes, dishes, and even drink the water even thought we don't live in a house. I even have neighbors with mini lawns, gardens and flower pots. A teenage girl can take up to three showers a day. Once in the morning. Another after her workout, and one before she heads out for the night. <br> <br> My apartment has a running toilet. I bet that ads up too, along with 1000s of other toilets in the city. <br> <br> I say before we do something drastic and costly, we do the little cost effective things first. <br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>J Ford <privatejf32@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> In an apartment, what the heck do you spend water on? You don't have grass <br>to water, you don't have flower beds, you don't have access to the hose for <br>to wash cars with...etc. Just what do you have to waste water on? I think
<br>the brick in the toilet is a good thing, but other than that - what?<br><br>Most home owners are told to reduce water useage and are fined if they are <br>caught watering off hours - what happens to "water-abusing apartment <br>dwellers?" (Does such even exist?)<br><br>Just asking, so don't go "Rambo" on me or anything. I am just asking, ok?<br><br>J :]<br><br><br><br><br>>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""><br>>To: Bruce and Jean Livingston <jeanlivingston @turbonet.com="">, Nils <br>>Peterson <nils_peterson @wsu.edu="">, vision2020@moscow.com, Mark <br>>Solomon <msolomon @moscow.com=""><br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water: willing to conserve but can't afford to<br>>Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:20:25 -0700 (PDT)<br>><br>>Most apartments in Moscow have the water included in the rent. If land <br>>owners offered reduced rents and made the tenants pay for water, it would <br>>probably be reduce
consumption.<br>><br>> There is no financial incentive for most the people in Moscow to <br>>conserve water.<br>><br>> If you cut rent if I used less water, I and other apartment dwellers <br>>would probably devise ways to reduce water consumption like we do with <br>>utility costs.<br>><br>> This would save at least 1-5% on water use.<br>><br>> Just a thought.<br>><br>> _DJA<br>><br>>Bruce and Jean Livingston <jeanlivingston @turbonet.com=""> wrote: What is the <br>>estimated payback time for water cost savings to make up the<br>>cost of a new low flow toilet? Explain any assumptions necessary to the<br>>explanation/answer.<br>><br>>Bruce Livingston<br>><br>>----- Original Message -----<br>>From: "Mark Solomon"<br>>To: "Nils Peterson" ;<br>>Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 4:30 PM<br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water: willing to conserve but can't afford to<br>><br>><br>>
> It's not older homes that are at issue as much as some of the first <br>>models<br>> > of low flush toilets just weren't designed well enough. I just installed<br>> > one in our house in town (very much an older house with known roots in <br>>the<br>> > pipes issues) and it works great. Has a half flush option at 0.8<br>> > gallons/use. See a similar model at the Natural Abode in beautiful and<br>> > vibrant downtown Moscow.<br>> ><br>> > m.<br>> ><br>> > At 2:58 PM -0700 4/25/06, Nils Peterson wrote:<br>> >>Tom Ivey illustrates at least one type of person who would occupy the<br>> >>middle<br>> >>position in my "Where do you stand" thread: willing, but unable.<br>> >><br>> >>Thanks for the lawn-related suggestions. They sound cost effective.<br>> >><br>> >>The toilet upgrade plan discussed earlier, if funded by new water users <br>>as<br>>
>>I<br>> >>offered, might work for Ivey. He would get a new throne and the feel <br>>good<br>> >>from saving water, with no cash outlay.<br>> >><br>> >>My wife points out that she has heard there is an issue for some older<br>> >>homes<br>> >>whose plumbing does not work well with low flow... We are guessing that<br>> >>things just don't move along well with less water.<br>> >><br>> >>So, the City's program would need a means to evaluate a home for being a<br>> >>candidate to participate. Not much different than the phone company<br>> >>investigating if you can have DSL.<br>> >><br>> >>So, what we have here is a voluntary program that saves water, at no <br>>cost<br>> >>to<br>> >>the would-be saver, and transfers the savings of water to a would-be new<br>> >>water user when they get a building permit.<br>>
>><br>> >>What is missing to put this into action?<br>> >>1. Deciding to adopt and become strict about adhering to the PBAC water<br>> >>budget.<br>> >>2. Building the mechanism to swap the toilets (or other conservation<br>> >>measures)<br>> >>3. Securing funding for #2.<br>> >><br>> >>Anything missing?<br>> >>Does this list have the political will to support this idea?<br>> >>How would you go about selling it (or defeating it)?<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >>On 4/25/06 10:06 AM, "vision2020-request@moscow.com"<br>> >> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >>> In regards to the last issue "where do you stand": I want to <br>>conserve.<br>> >>> But<br>> >>> it costs me more to conserve than I can afford. The cheapest rain<br>> >>> barrel I<br>> >>> can find is $100 plus shipping, I need at
least 4 of them. I don't <br>>have<br>> >>> the<br>> >>> money to purchase a new front load washer and would have a hard time<br>> >>> justifying it without an old broken one. I can't afford to put in a<br>> >>> sprinkler<br>> >>> system (I would love to have one). Sure, I got a 3% increase in pay<br>> >>> this<br>> >>> year, but my groceries, gasoline, clothing, health care insurance, <br>>and<br>> >>> basically all consumables have increased this year by more than 3%. <br>>I<br>> >>> pay<br>> >>> twice as much for water as my counter parts in southern Idaho. And I<br>> >>> just<br>> >>> found out I will have to pay out $4000 on braces for a child. What do<br>> >>> you do?<br>> >>> Where do you start? I have low flush toilets and a water saver <br>>shower<br>> >>>
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