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<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Finally, we agree on something, Joe.
However, I don't use the word "gay" when referring to
homosexuals...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=joekc@adelphia.net
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ecooper@turbonet.com
href="mailto:ecooper@turbonet.com">Ed</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=metzler@moscow.com
href="mailto:metzler@moscow.com">Michael</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:19
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Crazy
train</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>God did create Adam and Steve. He created human beings (at
least you and I believe this) and like it or not some human beings are
gay.<BR><BR>--<BR>Joe Campbell<BR><BR>---- Ed <<A
href="mailto:ecooper@turbonet.com">ecooper@turbonet.com</A>> wrote:
<BR><BR>=============<BR>Regarding sexuality being biologically
determined...hmmm, I remember the gene theory, but it was disproved a couple
years back. I'm sure more research is in the works though. With the cases of
hermaphrodites, it's quite possible that they have mixed feelings..However,
from testimonies of recent converts to heterosexuality, they said it was a
conscious choice...a choice that is made to look better and better all the
time from Hollywood, accepted norms, etc.. If God endorsed homosexuality, he
would have created Adam and Steve, not Adam and Eve... How about the
destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?<BR> ----- Original Message -----
<BR> From: <A href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</A>
<BR> To: Michael <BR> Cc: vision 2020 <BR> Sent: Saturday,
April 22, 2006 1:05 PM<BR> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crazy
train<BR><BR><BR> There is some interesting data suggesting that sexual
orientation is biologically determined. A colleague of mine pointed out that
this thesis was more likely to be advanced by a man than by a woman. (The
author of the study was male -- I have his name in my notes but I can't
remember it -- and it was a study of males.)<BR><BR> Another friend --
who happens to be a lesbian -- told me that her conversion was a matter of
conscious choice. She had it with men -- the lying, the cheating, the lack of
commitment -- and decided to switch teams. She is a lesbian to this day,
though I did try to tell her that her argument was an instance of the fallacy
of small sample.<BR><BR> --<BR> Joe Campbell<BR><BR> ----
Michael <<A href="mailto:metzler@moscow.com">metzler@moscow.com</A>>
wrote: <BR><BR> =============<BR> <BR><BR> >From
Fallwell.com: "Not a single mainstream psychological, psychiatric or<BR>
medical organization believes that changing one's sexual orientation
is<BR> possible."<BR><BR> <BR><BR> I'm not sure how
helpful this sort of claim is, in part due to what seems<BR> like an
implied over-simplification of the issues. Compare, for example,<BR>
what the likely percentage of successfully heterosexual males were in
1930<BR> in America with the percentage of successfully homosexual males
in Sparta<BR> 500 B.C. Human sexuality is a wildly complex and
mysterious phenomenon that<BR> is organically connected to physiology
(that is the product of both 'nurture<BR> and nature') as well as broad
cultural context and moral experience of the<BR> individual.
Apparently entire civilizations can to some degree 'change<BR> sexual
orientation,' which is what I took Ed's argument to be. In
Sparta,<BR> the men typically wanted to settle down with women and have
children when<BR> they were older, but this did not stop
institutionalized homosexuality the<BR> permeated the sexual experience
of Spartan men. Given the way our culture<BR> is going, perhaps 40
years from now 60% of all men will be somewhat<BR> bi-sexual within
their overall sexual experience. If that was to happen,<BR> how
would we even make sense out of the analysis above from
Fallwell.com?<BR> Almost all Spartan men changed their sexual
orientation at some point in<BR> their life. Or am I missing
something?<BR><BR> <BR><BR> Michael
Metzler <BR><BR><BR>
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