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<div>Donovan,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>As someone who has been stabbed, beaten, threatened with a gun
and had numerous acts of property vandalism directed at me for being
who I am, not to mention the direct death threats given in full public
view at public hearing and other written and verbal attacks, your list
of supposed acts that "have threatened, harassed, intimidated and
violated the rights of many people in my town" are ludicrous.
Some perspective, please.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Mark Solomon</div>
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<blockquote>
<hr></blockquote>
<blockquote>Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:36:42 -0700<br>
From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Wrong again, Ms. Rogers<br>
To: joanopyr@moscow.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>
CC:<br>
<br>
Yes, Ms. Rogers,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>I stand by my allegation that you, and members of your
gang, have threatened, harassed, intimidated and violated the rights
of many people in my town. Especially myself and members of NSA and
Christ Church; not just Doug Wilson. God only knows what you have done
to other people that dared to disagree with you.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Here are your own words Joan, and this only includes a
few writings<br>
from V2020, not personal emails, publications and your radio show:<br>
<br>
"Now, put on your dunce cap, boy, and write "I know bupkes"
on the</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>chalkboard 2005 times. That should keep you busy
until kingdom come.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote>Joan Opyr to Metzler Nov 2005</blockquote>
<blockquote><a
href=
"http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/022053.html"
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/022053.html</a
></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>(In the words of my late grandfather, if
I</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>wanted any shit out of Jeff Harkins, I'd squeeze his
head.)</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote><a
href=
"http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/022342.html"
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-November/022342.html</a
></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Since</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Doug Wilson is not Nick Gier's academic offspring,
what is he? The</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>bastard at the UI Philosophy Department's family
reunion, of course!</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>And, according to the time-honored traditions of
Southern genealogy,</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>this makes Aaron Rench a bastard
once-removed.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote>Here you attack a family member of mine</blockquote>
<blockquote><a
href=
"http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/020728.html"
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/020728.html</a
></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote>Here you attack about 100 plus Moscow
Residents</blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>I mean other than the Kirk's desperation to
divert</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>speculation away from the idea that this might be more
of their</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>hee-haw, dumb-assed, "Trinitarian"
skylarking. Let's face it; this has</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>all of the Wilsonite hallmarks. Arrogance meets
Ignorance in the back</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>room at Bucer's. They buy each other a beer and,
when they've run out</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>of boob, and blonde, and knock-knock jokes, they
decide to pull a fast</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>one on the University of Idaho. Jeez. How
funny. I'll bet they can</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>all belch the alphabet as well.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Boys, boys, boys -- bearded, pot-bellied, and
otherwise -- you are way</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>too old to be playing these sorts of games.
Also, your timing is</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>dreadful. This latest "prank" against
the U of I occurred on the very</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>same day that Bob Hieronymous, New St. Andrew's new PR
man, announced</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>to the Daily News that NSA expects to be accredited
any day now by</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>TRACS. When (or if) that happens, Itty Bitty Bob
says that NSA hopes</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>to cooperate with the University of Idaho on various
academic</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>adventures. Uh-huh. If any of the Kirk's
comedians had anything to do</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>with putting out this little hoax ditty -- and, as
many have mentioned,</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>boys, you do have priors -- then I suspect you'll have
to look</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>elsewhere for academic partners. Might I suggest
Bob Jones University</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>and Beulah Bible College?</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>And there's always those ads in the back of comic
books where you draw</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>"Timmy the Turtle" or "Patchy the
Pirarte." Aarrrhhh, mateys!</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote><a
href=
"http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/020760.html"
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/020760.html</a
></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>As soon as I finish my training with the SAS, I expect
Dale "Studley"</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Courtney and Doug "Lemeno" Farris to accept
my challenge to a cage</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>fight in Friendship Square. </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>So, Donovan has taken a class in terrorism (Really?
From Osama</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>himself?)</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><a
href=
"http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/021543.html"
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/021543.html</a
></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-October/021558.html</tt
></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>A day in the life of Doug F:</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>1) Wake up after night spent tossing and turning,
worrying that</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>feminists, lesbians, gays, Democrats, dog lovers,
Jews, Unitarians,</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Muslims, atheists, blacks, Mexicans, Asians and
Mariners fans might,</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>just might, be living happy, joyful, and fulfilling
lives. Ponder how</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>you can piss on their corn flakes.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>2) Speaking of corn flakes, notice that Tony the Tiger
seems to be</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>wearing an ascot. Is he gay? That
"It's greeeaaaat!" business is way</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>to close to "It's fabulous!" Phone
Dale C. but discover that he eats</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Fruit Loops. Resolve to ask Doug W. at next Head
of Household meeting</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>what kind of cereal men of chest eat. Suspect
it's Scottish oats with</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>salt and pepper. Dine
accordingly.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>3) Make list of ways to work personal
reproductive excesses into daily</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>conversation. World must know that Doug F is not
shooting blanks!</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>4) Werk on speling and gramer. Will zing that
Joan O on 2020 if it</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>kills me!</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>5) Think about what gay men and lesbians do in bed.
Think about it</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>some more. Picture Tom Cruise and Val Kilmer in
Top Gun. Shudder. </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Take cold shower. Read latest issue of the Navy
Times. Shudder some</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>more. Write fan letter to James Dobson.
And Tom Cruise.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>6) Bored. Read Vision 2020. Opyr-Huskey
household seem to be having</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>fun. Come up with term
"thing-in-law." That'll learn 'em! Pee
self</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>laughing at own wit. Change boxers and post
whopping great hilarity to</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>list.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>7) Hilarity not widely appreciated but don't care.
Pat on back from</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Dale C. and Doug W. Manly pats. Very
manly. Re-read Navy Times. See</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>that Tom Cruise is on Pay Per View. Set TiVo and
fill bathtub with ice</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>water.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>8) Icewater *big* mistake. Manhood has become an
internal organ. Call</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Dr. G in a panic. He advises that Tom Cruise is
on Pay Per View. </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease, but must
keep up</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>appearances. Feet are already so small . .
.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>9) Supplement Cruise-watching with a heating pad, a
glass of bourbon,</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>and a Dominican cigar. Very worried. Still
look as if suffering from</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Kleinfelter Syndrome. </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>(</tt><a
href="http://www.flash-med.com/Symptoms2.asp?Symptom_Word=Kleinfelter"
><tt>http://www.flash-med.com/Symptoms2.asp?Symptom_Word=Kleinfelter</tt
></a><tt>). Too</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>old to rejoin Navy?</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>10) Take out inadequacies on Vision 2020.
Surpass self in nasty,</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>unpleasant, un-Christian observations. Feel
sudden swelling of manly</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>pride and . . . there we go, swelling spreads from
brain cell to</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>prostate. Phew! All systems restored.
Off to beddy-bye now and sweet</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>dreams of . . . damn!</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Tom Cruise, get out of my mind! My love for you
is way out of line!</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>www.auntie-establishment.com</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote><a
href=
"http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-September/019969.html"
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-September/019969.ht<span
></span>ml</a></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>What's that you say, Jerry? You don't like it?
Neither, to be quite</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>honest, do I. It's my feeling that a real church
wouldn't have moles;</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>a real church wouldn't need them. By my
definition, a real church is a</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>voluntary gathering of men and women who worship,
think and pray as</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>they see fit without fear of retaliation (either
financial, spiritual</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>or social) from their pastor.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Your plea has fallen on deaf ears, I fear.
Unless the chicken was a</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Christian Reconstructionist, Doug Farris just doesn't
give a cluck.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-September/020255.ht<span
></span>ml</blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>"Here's how it will work -- should we ever meet in
the flesh, I'll ask you the following question: "Hey,
Jimmy, can yer mammy sew?" That's your cue to turn tail and
run like hell because the answer is a powerful head butt accompanied
by the words, "Then tell her to stitch this!" Sound
like fun? No?"</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-September/020381.ht<span
></span>ml</blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>In the immortal words of Alice Roosevelt, if you don't
have anything nice to say about someone, then come sit by
me.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-January/023552.htm<span
></span>l</blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Finally, in the spirit of New Year cheer, we'll be
playing a special</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>medley of tunes especially dedicated to our tireless
blogstalker, Dale</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Comb-over Courtney.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote> </blockquote>
<blockquote
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-January/023681.htm<span
></span>l</blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Doug Wilson and New St. Andrews are serial zoning
violators.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>"Now, I want to make it clear that I
absolutely do not want Doug Farris,</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Dale Courtney, Lou Sheldon, Jesse Helms, or J. Edgar
Hoover in my club.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> I would much prefer that all GLBT people
(or those below 5 on the</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Kinsey scale) were marvelously self-accepting and
well-adjusted. </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Unfortunately, the University of Georgia is against
me, and it would</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>seem that those who negatively obsess about what gay
men and lesbians</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>do in bed are often sad, latent, and repressed
individuals who could do</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>with an understanding, kind, and patient
therapist."</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-January/025002.html</tt
></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>The earth orbits the Sun; the earth does not
orbit</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Donovan Arnold. Not yet, anyway. Not so
long as you take your Leptropril and</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>keep eating at Subway.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2005-June/018062.html</tt
></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>"It's entirely possible to make money by being a
professional asshole, but from what I've seen of your work before
the Moscow City Council and here on Vision 2020, you're no Dennis
Miller. You're not even close."</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-February/026058.html</tt
></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>And you base this on what, Pat? Doug Wilson
wouldn't be Doug Wilson if</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>he didn't thumb his nose at the law; if he didn't
believe that he was</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>above trivialities like paying property taxes or
obeying zoning laws.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-February/026058.html</tt
></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Everyone love Frito Lay, and Sara Lee, and Little
Debbie. But no one loves an arrogant lawbreaker who demands
special treatment.</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt
>http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-February/026007.html</tt
></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>"However, unlike, say, WalMart,
once</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>you join at Doug's God Shop, you cannot simply walk
out the door. </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>You've signed a contract; you've promised to buy from
Doug and only</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>Doug until Kingdom come. You break this contract
at your peril. The</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>consequences of leaving? Character
assassination. Firing. Loss of</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>friends. Loss of income. Loss (in
covenantal theology) of your</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>relationship with God."</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote><tt> </tt></blockquote>
<blockquote>If I am missing something, please let me know. There is
more, much, much more.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>Take Care,</blockquote>
<blockquote>_DJA</blockquote>
<blockquote><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<i><b>Joan Opyr <joanopyr@moscow.com></b></i> wrote:<br>
<blockquote>> You ask what laws you have violated. OK, here are a
few for to start.<br>
> Harassment, intimidation, and making threats. As for libelous,
how<br>
> about looking back at some of your own emails and online
publications.<br>
><br>
<br>
Wrong again, Donovan. I have threatened no one. I have harassed no<br>
one. And intimidation? Who? Where? When? These charges are real,<br>
Donovan, and your making them has real consequences. You must learn
to<br>
distinguish between legitimate public criticism of a public figure,
and<br>
criminal trespass, libel, intimidation and threats. I criticize
public<br>
figures for a living; Doug Wilson is among those public figures. So
is<br>
George W. Bush. I have not harassed or threatened either. (I
believe<br>
that threatening the President lands one in the pokey. You'll
notice<br>
that I'm not in the pokey. I'm not emailing you from the Latah
County<br>
Jail or, worse yet, from Guantanamo Bay.)<br>
<br>
Here's my challenge to you, Donovan: either put up or shut up. Cite
an<br>
actual legal statute and then demonstrate with evidence (not your<br>
personal opinion) that I have violated that statute. No one is
immune<br>
from criticism -- not you, not me, not Dale Courtney and not
Pastor<br>
Wilson. It's also the case that public figures have less
protection<br>
than private figures. This is one of the many reasons I feature so<br>
prominently on Dale's odious blog. I'd rather not have what I
write<br>
here reposted without my permission, but as a public figure,
there's<br>
precious little I can do about it. Now, should Dale violate the<br>
copyright on any of my published materials -- my novel, my work for
New<br>
West, Stonewall, the Seattle Gay Times, the Boise Weekly, or
the</blockquote>
<blockquote>Co-Op's Community News -- then you can bet your sweet
bippy I can and<br>
would sue the smarmy little git. But Vision 2020 posts or letters
to<br>
the editor are fair game.<br>
<br>
Very seriously,<br>
Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment<br>
www.joanopyr.com<br>
<br>
PS: As far as I'm concerned, this is the end of our correspondence
on<br>
this subject. You are again out of line, and I again advise you to<br>
step back. Pronto.<br>
<br>
<br>
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