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<DIV><FONT size=4>Ms. Opyr writes:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff>"One more thing for you to ponder -- it is not I, nor
Melynda, nor Rose who engage in imprecatory prayer. That sin belongs solely to
Doug Wilson and his followers. They pray regularly for our deaths, for us to be
struck down by God, to have our bones broken and our teeth smashed out, and all
for defying them publicly and, dare I suggest, successfully. Imprecatory prayer
is a wicked, nasty, vile thing, Donovan, and you spend far too much of your good
Christian time defending its unsavory practitioners."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>From Pooh's Think: </FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, Serif" color=#333333
size=3>For those of you who have never heard the more casual kind of
imprecatory prayer from Christ Church, someone just pointed me to a
recently <A
href="http://hishandiwork.blogspot.com/2006/03/prayer-of-entreaty.html"><FONT
size=4>posted prayer</FONT> </A>on Mike Lawyers Blog. Here it
is:</FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, Serif" color=#333333
size=3> </FONT><FONT face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, Serif"
color=#333333 size=3>Oh Lord God, we beg you to not remain silent. You
are the God we praise, the God of our praise. We are surrounded by
enemies: without and within. They attack us with lying tongues and false
lips. They return evil for good, slander for godly guidance. They invent
lies hoping to entrap us with their smears and their deceit. They desire
to tear us down while they somehow hope to gain respect and admiration
for themselves. But seeking to destroy the Lord's anointed only ends in
calamity for those who do the betraying. With this in mind we ask that
you would give them the results they are working so diligently to
accomplish in us. <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=5>We pray that you
would give them what they deserve: that you would squash them like bugs
before your mighty
throne.</FONT></STRONG></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN><I>Posted by Michael
Metzler<FONT size=-2> - 3/31/2006 4:32:43 PM</FONT></I><FONT size=-2> | <A
href="http://www.poohsthink.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=291"><FONT
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Mike Lawyer is Cultmaster Wilson's chief sycophant and who
knows what else. However, given Lawyer's words above and those
of Christ below, it would appear to be egregiously erroneous to conclude
that Lawyer is a Christian or even a faint imitation thereof:</FONT></DIV>
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w:st="on"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Matthew
5:38</SPAN></B></st1:bcv_smarttag><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 48</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Young's Literal Translation of the
Bible</I><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">38<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>Ye heard that it was said:
Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">39<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>but II say to you, </SPAN><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">not to resist
the evil</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">, but whoever
shall slap thee on thy right cheek, turn to him also the
other;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">40<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>and whoever is willing to
take thee to law, and thy coat to takesuffer to him also the
cloak.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">41<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>And whoever shall impress
thee one mile, go with him two,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">42<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>to him who is asking of thee
be giving, and him who is willing to borrow from thee thou mayest not turn
away.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">43<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>Ye heard that it was said:
Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and shalt hate thine
enemy;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">44<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>but II say to
you,</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </SPAN><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Love your
enemies,</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> </SPAN><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">bless those
cursing you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those accusing you
falsely, and persecuting you,</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">45<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>that ye may be sons of your
Father in the heavens, because His sun He doth cause to rise on evil and
good, and He doth send rain on righteous and
unrighteous.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">46<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>For, if ye may love those
loving you, what reward have ye? do not also the tax-gatherers the
same?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">47<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>and if ye may salute your
brethren only, what do ye abundant? do not also the tax-gatherers
so?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">48<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN></SPAN><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">ye shall
therefore be perfect, as your Father who is in the heavens is
perfect</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT
color=#0000ff>.<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></B></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Remember: </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>The </FONT><FONT size=4><FONT size=4><FONT face="Olde English"
size=6>Wilson & Family's Cult & <FONT color=#00bb88><STRONG>Cash
Machine</STRONG></FONT></FONT> (aka the Christ Church Cult) <STRONG><EM>Motto in
Practice</EM></STRONG>:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=5><FONT color=#0000ff><STRONG>You must tolerate us since we do
not tolerate anyone else</STRONG>.</FONT></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Proud to be an unbeliever after seeing the ugliness and
dishonesty done in Christ's name by Christ Church Cultmaster Douglas Wilson and
his doltish, ovine flock,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>PS: </FONT><FONT size=4>Here is an example of
imprecatory prayer from his Would-Be Eminence, the Cultmaster
himself:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P align=justify><STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>"So the great application is
to start praying this way. Come down, our Lord and God, and break their evil
arms. We may pray that God would start with the Supreme Court, and then move on
to the various circuit courts. Then on to Congress! <FONT color=#0000ff
size=5>To refuse to pray in this way is not so much to deny the evil as it is in
some fashion to join it.</FONT>"</FONT></STRONG></P><I>Posted by Douglas Wilson
<FONT size=-2>- 6/28/2004 11:46:32 AM</FONT></I><FONT size=-2> | <A
href="http://www.dougwils.com/index.asp?Action=Anchor&CategoryID=1&BlogID=282"><FONT
size=-2>Link to this post</FONT></A></FONT> |</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>PPS: Perhaps if the Cultmaster desires to be taken
seriously and to gain the respect from others which he alone affords himself, he
might take a little step toward such a goal when he visits his barber:
Next time swing for something a little more upscale than the economy bowl
cut.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=joanopyr@moscow.com href="mailto:joanopyr@moscow.com">Joan Opyr</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020 Moscow</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 04, 2006 3:02 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] The Nicene Creed (was Atwood letter
rewritten)</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Donovan accuses:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>I don't have to speculate it is personal. Just ask them. Joan,
Rose, and her entire household & friends will just tell you flat out they
are bigoted against conservative Christians and have a personal ax to grind
with Wilson.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>On the contrary, Donovan, you do speculate, and
you speculate incorrectly. I've never actually met Doug Wilson. Melynda has; so
has Rose. But not me. I sat next to him once in Applebee's, but I don't think
sharing dining and drinking space with someone counts as knowing them. If it
does, then I also know the Ramones -- or, rather, I knew the Ramones. All but
one of them are now deceased.<BR><BR>My issue is not with conservative
Christianity. I don't give a damned about Reformed Christian Theology, either. I
think John Calvin was demonstrably an ill-tempered, narrow-minded bastard, but
he's been dead for a long, long time. There's not much point in fighting with
Calvin; my arms are too short to box with ghosts. As I have said time and time
again, I don't give a tinker's cuss, a monkey's butt, or a plug nickel what Doug
Wilson believes. I care about his political agenda and his detrimental effect on
the City of Moscow -- on our secular government and on our downtown businesses.
In other words, Donovan, I'm not interested in arguing theology with Doug --
that's his game, not mine. I'm interested in politics. I'm interested in Doug's
willingness to shamelessly play the persecution card in order to cover up his
blatant, consistent disregard for the law. This is not about Doug Wilson qua
Doug Wilson; this is about a business masquerading as a church, claiming tax
exemptions to which it is not legally entitled, and violating zoning law and
city ordinance.<BR><BR>Why do you not understand this? Because you don't want to
understand. This scenario doesn't fit in with your own dreams of persecution,
your own belief that you are "an endangered species." Endangered species? Bah!
George W. Bush long ago delisted so-called moderates. You're either with us or
against us, remember? You're on your own, moderate man, along with the Spotted
Owl, the Snail Darter, and the Sawtooth wolves. Better get used to it.
<BR><BR>Now, let me try once again (because I'm a fool) to make one thing
perfectly clear: my wife, Melynda, is a conservative Christian. She is also a
lesbian. There is no disconnect here, as you yourself should know full well. As
Keely has explained, the term "conservative Christian" refers to theology, not
politics. Melynda holds to the Nicene Creed. Rather than give it to you in Latin
or Greek or even the version from the Book of Common Prayer, here's a
contemporary translation:<BR><BR>We believe in one God, the Father, the
Almighty,<BR>maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen.<BR>We
believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,<BR>the only Son of God, eternally begotten of
the Father,<BR>God from God, light from light, true God from true
God,<BR>begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father.<BR>For us and for our
salvation he came down from heaven,<BR>by the power of the Holy Spirit he was
born of the Virgin Mary and became truly human.<BR>For our sake he was crucified
under Pontius Pilate;<BR>he suffered, died and was buried.<BR>On the third day
he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures;<BR>he ascended into heaven and
is seated at the right hand of the Father.<BR>He will come again in glory to
judge the living and the dead,<BR>and his kingdom will have no end.<BR>We
believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,<BR>who proceeds from
the Father (and the Son)<BR>Who with the Father and the Son is worshiped and
glorified.<BR>Who has spoken through the prophets.<BR>We believe in one holy
Catholic and apostolic Church.<BR>We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness
of sins.<BR>We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world
to come. Amen.<BR><BR>Melynda would, of course, use gender-neutral pronouns, and
by Catholic, she means one communion within Jesus Christ. (If you understand and
actually make an effort to process the preceding, then I will buy you a Shirley
Temple complete with an umbrella and a swizzle stick. I'll leave a gift
certificate for same at The Garden Lounge -- that is, if the bar survives the
NSA parking situation.)<BR><BR>One more thing for you to ponder -- it is not I,
nor Melynda, nor Rose who engage in imprecatory prayer. That sin belongs solely
to Doug Wilson and his followers. They pray regularly for our deaths, for us to
be struck down by God, to have our bones broken and our teeth smashed out, and
all for defying them publicly and, dare I suggest, successfully. Imprecatory
prayer is a wicked, nasty, vile thing, Donovan, and you spend far too much of
your good Christian time defending its unsavory practitioners. Chew on that for
awhile.<BR><BR>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment<BR>www.joanopyr.com<?fontfamily><?param Helvetica><?smaller><BR><?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR>PS:
Now if by conservative Christian what you mean is simply "Donovan J. Arnold,"
then you're right; I have no conservative Christian friends. I don't like you
any more than you like me, and I expect we'll go on in this hostile fashion
until the day we expire. I can live with that (and happily, too). But my
definition of conservative Christian is considerably more expansive than yours
(see the Nicene Creed again, for reference), and thus I count my conservative
Christian friends by the score. I'm lucky to have them; their friendship binds
and sustains me, and I am grateful to them for their wit, their wisdom, and
their faith. They are fine people who deserve far better than the narrow
representation given by you, Doug Wilson, and other shameless self-aggrandizers.
Jesus
Wept.<BR><BR><BR><BR><?fontfamily><?param Helvetica><BR><BR><?/fontfamily><BR>
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