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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Donovan, Since I don't have the ability to peer
into the hearts and minds of the principal players in this overblown imbroglio I
am reluctant to ascribe motive. However on the face of it there is all the
appearance of something other than wanting to be able to park in the two
southernmost rows of the Jackson St. parking lot at play here. If I had to
guess I suspect it has to do with personal animosities and not some grand
liberal, anti Christian agenda as some on this list may have speculated on our
behalf.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G. Crabtree</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@adelphia.net
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A> ; <A
title=sslund@adelphia.net href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">Saundra Lund</A> ;
<A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=DonaldH675@aol.com
href="mailto:DonaldH675@aol.com">DonaldH675@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, April 02, 2006 10:11
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Atwood Letter
Rewritten</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><PRE><TT>"To not do so, once again, makes this look like a personnel <BR>crusade for you and your commandos."-- Gary Crabtree<BR><BR>But Gary, this is a personal crusade for her and her commandos.<BR>What did you think it was about?<BR><BR>_DJA<BR></TT></PRE><BR><BR><B><I>"g.
crabtree" <<A
href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">jampot@adelphia.net</A>></I></B> wrote:
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">Ms.
Lund,<BR><BR>What ever in the world are you talking about?<BR><BR>"Simply
put, when one church is<BR>> rightly denied exemption because it's
competing with commercial businesses<BR>> and another is given a pass,
that's discriminatory."<BR><BR>What "churches" are you referring to? My
point with regard to tax exemption <BR>was that NSA like ALL schools is tax
exempt no matter where they are <BR>located. This being the case, NSA's tax
status was irrelevant to the BOA. If <BR>you believe that NSA should NOT be
tax exempt, I would be able to respect <BR>your argument IF you were to
apply the revocation to all educational <BR>institutions. (or even only
religiously affiliated ones) When you only <BR>complain about NSA in this
manner it makes it hard for me to believe that <BR>this isn't a personal
matter and that all the posturing with regard to <BR>taxes, commercial
frontage, and parking aren't just means to an end.<BR><BR>With regard to Mr.
Reed selling his restaurant to the U of I, my only <BR>objection would be
that the university was wasting tax dollars on an <BR>unprofitable
operation. If they want to lease the space from the brothers <BR>Bode, I
couldn't care less. I seriously doubt the U of I would be interested <BR>in
such a proposition.<BR><BR>As to your parking space breakdown, it still
appears to me that you are <BR>massaging the numbers to make your case. With
NSA at current enrollment and <BR>the commercial space unoccupied, parking
is fairly commensurate with other <BR>spaces downtown and far better then
when GTE was the occupant. I am certain <BR>that as GTE started to
underutilize the building and finally left <BR>altogether, surrounding
properties/businesses came to see those newly <BR>available slots as theirs.
Sadly this is not the case. No space in that lot <BR>"belongs" to any
business. The fact that plenty of U of I students park <BR>there and walk to
school proves this contention. As I said before, if you <BR>are serious
about the parking problem explore the option of meters, permits <BR>or
LID's. To not do so, once again, makes this look like a personnel
<BR>crusade for you and your commandos.<BR><BR>G. Crabtree<BR><BR>P.S.
Speaking of the commandos, what kind of mission do you suppose "J. <BR>Ford"
was on today? Was it part of the even handed civic mindedness that
<BR>typifies this whole debate?<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----
<BR>From: "Saundra Lund" <SSLUND @adelphia.net=""><BR>To: "'g. crabtree'"
<JAMPOT @adelphia.net="">; <VISION2020 @moscow.com=""><BR>Cc: <DONALDH675
@aol.com="">; "'Ted Moffett'" <STARBLISS @gmail.com=""><BR>Sent: Sunday,
April 02, 2006 3:30 PM<BR>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Atwood Letter
Rewritten<BR><BR><BR>> Hi Again Mr. Crabtree,<BR>><BR>> You
wrote:<BR>> "Ms. Lund, I'm not sure what the asterisks on either side of
*you* implies<BR>> but I would have been happy to have made your
acquaintance. Perhaps next<BR>> time. Look for a middle aged, blue collar
Neanderthal who sits close to <BR>> the<BR>> door in case a hasty exit
is required. (crowds make me a bit edgy)"<BR>><BR>> Ah-HA!!! So, you
took one of my favorite seats! Save me one by the door<BR>> next time, if
possible, because I'm not a huge fan of crowds, either.<BR>><BR>> The
asterisks meant nothing more than I would have appreciated meeting
you<BR>> to put a face with the name :-)<BR>><BR>> And, I honestly
mean no offense, but have you looked around? I think a<BR>> pretty fair
number of men would fit the description you provided, at least<BR>> to my
eyes ;-) Perhaps name tags would be a good idea ;-)<BR>><BR>> You
wrote:<BR>> "From the top. Yes you are right. I was making broad
generalizations in my<BR>> communication with Ms.Woolf . . .
"<BR>><BR>> Good, I'm glad we got that cleared up. FWIW, I'm glad
you're willing to<BR>> accept my notes and the Trib article as accurate
reflections of what was<BR>> actually said at the
meeting.<BR>><BR>> You also wrote:<BR>> "If you would like to make
a less discriminatory argument for revoking tax<BR>> exemptions for all
schools and churches have at it."<BR>><BR>> Sorry, I don't think
there's anything at all discriminatory about <BR>> expecting<BR>> our
laws to be followed -- quite the contrary: it's discriminatory for <BR>>
our<BR>> laws not to be fairly and equitably applied. Simply put, when
one church <BR>> is<BR>> rightly denied exemption because it's
competing with commercial businesses<BR>> and another is given a pass,
that's discriminatory.<BR>><BR>> You also wrote:<BR>> "Zoning
allows for educational institutions downtown with a CUP."<BR>><BR>>
Yes, that's what's allowed *now*, but that's *not* what was allowed
in<BR>> February, 2003 when NSA opened for classes on Main
Street.<BR>><BR>> You also wrote:<BR>> "I'll worry about BSU
hogging up Main St. with a satellite campus when the<BR>> danger is a
trifle more immanent. "<BR>><BR>> What about the UI? I'll admit I
found the whole "we were never concerned<BR>> about the UI expanding
downtown" nonsense to be amusing . . . remember <BR>> City<BR>> staff
and some (former) Council members blathering on & on about how
they<BR>> had searched & searched unsuccessfully for proof that had
ever been an <BR>> issue<BR>> or concern, all the while ignoring the
testimony of those with first-hand<BR>> knowledge? What a pathetic joke!
It took lil' ol' me no more than 5-10<BR>> minutes of searching the
Lewiston Tribune archives to find the articles,<BR>> something the City
in its "exhaustive" searches failed to find. Why do <BR>> you<BR>>
suppose that is??? Could it possibly be the City was practicing CYA for
<BR>> its<BR>> role in the whole NSA mess?<BR>><BR>> So, if Mr.
Reed sells Basillio's to the UI, you'd have no objection to it<BR>> being
removed from the tax rolls and classes being held there,
right?<BR>><BR>> You also wrote:<BR>> "I must admit I was shocked
to hear Ms. Husky's seemingly contradictory <BR>> turn<BR>> about of
opinion with regard to the school and it's students."<BR>><BR>> Huh? I
think you must be confused. I don't want to speak for Rose, but I<BR>>
think we have always been consistent in our position that while neither
of<BR>> us would ever send our kids to NSA, we absolutely don't have a
problem <BR>> with<BR>> NSA in Moscow as long as it operates within
the law and in an appropriate<BR>> location, which we don't believe is in
the CBD.<BR>><BR>> You also wrote:<BR>> "As to the parking, forgive
me if I do this from memory. I don't have the<BR>> stats or the meeting
minutes available. My understanding is that with the<BR>> collage at its
current enrollment, it is using parking at the same level <BR>>
as<BR>> any other commercial use. "<BR>><BR>> Mr. Crabtree, in my
last response to you I gave you the facts that show <BR>> your<BR>>
understanding is flatly incorrect. The facts I gave you (which I'm<BR>>
including again) came from my notes:<BR>> "No, sorry, wrong again. City
staff made the point that NSA *alone*<BR>> accounts for about 7% of all
auto trips on Main Street: the average daily<BR>> trip count is 4806 with
NSA accounting for 332.2 of those trips. One<BR>> educational institution
*alone* accounts for 7%, which is clearly out of<BR>> proportion and a
higher use than other Main St. establishments. Also, <BR>> based<BR>>
on NSA's current enrollment and staffing, it requires 43 parking stalls
<BR>> with<BR>> an additional 11 required for the retail space. At
NSA's maximum <BR>> allowable<BR>> enrollment and staffing, they will
require 65 parking stalls (plus 11 for<BR>> the retail space). City staff
stated that NSA requires 12-34 more parking<BR>> stalls that other
commercial uses of similar size."<BR>><BR>> That is the information
presented by City staff, and should you think<BR>> perhaps my notes are
wrong, the following comes from the Daily News'<BR>> article:<BR>> "A
Community Development Department staff report shared at the meeting<BR>>
stated NSA creates a need for 43-65 parking stalls, which is 12-34
more<BR>> stalls than other commercial uses of the same size in downtown.
"<BR>><BR>> My notes are more detailed than what appeared in the Daily
News, but the<BR>> facts are the same and contrary to your understanding.
Even at its <BR>> current<BR>> enrollment, NSA uses *more* parking
that other commercial uses of the same<BR>> size.<BR>><BR>> Now, if
you want to prove that City staff's numbers are wrong, knock<BR>>
yourself out -- I'd be interested. Otherwise, your understanding just
<BR>> isn't<BR>> supported by the available facts.<BR>><BR>>
Finally, you also wrote:<BR>> "As I have said before, this really isn't
about parking (much less the<BR>> slippery slope of educational
orgs.)"<BR>><BR>> I would say the real issue is about the fair and
equal application of the<BR>> law. I agree with Ted Moffett who wrote,
"Selective enforcement of the <BR>> law<BR>> is a cornerstone of
bigotry and intolerance, with favors and a "wink" <BR>> handed<BR>>
out to those who conform to the values and ideology of those in power."
<BR>> For<BR>> whatever reason, the zoning laws where changed to
prevent non-commercial<BR>> schools & educational institutions from
locating in the CBD. Then, when <BR>> NSA<BR>> steamrolls over the
rules the rest of us have followed -- and mind you, <BR>> they<BR>>
made NO ATTEMPT to change the law first -- they get the wink & a nod . .
.<BR>> and a blind eye turned to their lawbreaking not once, but twice.
When the<BR>> illegality of that conduct is challenged, the rules are
changed solely for<BR>> NSA's benefit. Talk about bigotry &
intolerance . . .and it's not coming<BR>> from those you apparently would
like to blame.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Saundra Lund<BR>> Moscow,
ID<BR>><BR>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for
good people to do<BR>> nothing.<BR>> - Edmund Burke<BR>><BR>>
***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2005, Saundra
Lund.<BR>> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision
2020 forum<BR>> without the express written permission of the
author.*****<BR>><BR>><BR>>
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