<pre><tt>"To not do so, once again, makes this look like a personnel <br>crusade for you and your commandos."-- Gary Crabtree<br><br>But Gary, this is a personal crusade for her and her commandos.<br>What did you think it was about?<br><br>_DJA<br></tt></pre> <br><br><b><i>"g. crabtree" <jampot@adelphia.net></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Ms. Lund,<br><br> What ever in the world are you talking about?<br><br>"Simply put, when one church is<br>> rightly denied exemption because it's competing with commercial businesses<br>> and another is given a pass, that's discriminatory."<br><br>What "churches" are you referring to? My point with regard to tax exemption <br>was that NSA like ALL schools is tax exempt no matter where they are <br>located. This being the case, NSA's tax status was irrelevant to the BOA. If <br>you believe that NSA should NOT be tax exempt, I
would be able to respect <br>your argument IF you were to apply the revocation to all educational <br>institutions. (or even only religiously affiliated ones) When you only <br>complain about NSA in this manner it makes it hard for me to believe that <br>this isn't a personal matter and that all the posturing with regard to <br>taxes, commercial frontage, and parking aren't just means to an end.<br><br>With regard to Mr. Reed selling his restaurant to the U of I, my only <br>objection would be that the university was wasting tax dollars on an <br>unprofitable operation. If they want to lease the space from the brothers <br>Bode, I couldn't care less. I seriously doubt the U of I would be interested <br>in such a proposition.<br><br>As to your parking space breakdown, it still appears to me that you are <br>massaging the numbers to make your case. With NSA at current enrollment and <br>the commercial space unoccupied, parking is fairly commensurate with other <br>spaces
downtown and far better then when GTE was the occupant. I am certain <br>that as GTE started to underutilize the building and finally left <br>altogether, surrounding properties/businesses came to see those newly <br>available slots as theirs. Sadly this is not the case. No space in that lot <br>"belongs" to any business. The fact that plenty of U of I students park <br>there and walk to school proves this contention. As I said before, if you <br>are serious about the parking problem explore the option of meters, permits <br>or LID's. To not do so, once again, makes this look like a personnel <br>crusade for you and your commandos.<br><br>G. Crabtree<br><br>P.S. Speaking of the commandos, what kind of mission do you suppose "J. <br>Ford" was on today? Was it part of the even handed civic mindedness that <br>typifies this whole debate?<br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- <br>From: "Saundra Lund" <sslund @adelphia.net=""><br>To: "'g. crabtree'" <jampot
@adelphia.net="">; <vision2020 @moscow.com=""><br>Cc: <DonaldH675 @aol.com="">; "'Ted Moffett'" <starbliss @gmail.com=""><br>Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 3:30 PM<br>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Atwood Letter Rewritten<br><br><br>> Hi Again Mr. Crabtree,<br>><br>> You wrote:<br>> "Ms. Lund, I'm not sure what the asterisks on either side of *you* implies<br>> but I would have been happy to have made your acquaintance. Perhaps next<br>> time. Look for a middle aged, blue collar Neanderthal who sits close to <br>> the<br>> door in case a hasty exit is required. (crowds make me a bit edgy)"<br>><br>> Ah-HA!!! So, you took one of my favorite seats! Save me one by the door<br>> next time, if possible, because I'm not a huge fan of crowds, either.<br>><br>> The asterisks meant nothing more than I would have appreciated meeting you<br>> to put a face with the name :-)<br>><br>> And, I honestly mean no offense, but have you looked
around? I think a<br>> pretty fair number of men would fit the description you provided, at least<br>> to my eyes ;-) Perhaps name tags would be a good idea ;-)<br>><br>> You wrote:<br>> "From the top. Yes you are right. I was making broad generalizations in my<br>> communication with Ms.Woolf . . . "<br>><br>> Good, I'm glad we got that cleared up. FWIW, I'm glad you're willing to<br>> accept my notes and the Trib article as accurate reflections of what was<br>> actually said at the meeting.<br>><br>> You also wrote:<br>> "If you would like to make a less discriminatory argument for revoking tax<br>> exemptions for all schools and churches have at it."<br>><br>> Sorry, I don't think there's anything at all discriminatory about <br>> expecting<br>> our laws to be followed -- quite the contrary: it's discriminatory for <br>> our<br>> laws not to be fairly and equitably applied. Simply put, when one church
<br>> is<br>> rightly denied exemption because it's competing with commercial businesses<br>> and another is given a pass, that's discriminatory.<br>><br>> You also wrote:<br>> "Zoning allows for educational institutions downtown with a CUP."<br>><br>> Yes, that's what's allowed *now*, but that's *not* what was allowed in<br>> February, 2003 when NSA opened for classes on Main Street.<br>><br>> You also wrote:<br>> "I'll worry about BSU hogging up Main St. with a satellite campus when the<br>> danger is a trifle more immanent. "<br>><br>> What about the UI? I'll admit I found the whole "we were never concerned<br>> about the UI expanding downtown" nonsense to be amusing . . . remember <br>> City<br>> staff and some (former) Council members blathering on & on about how they<br>> had searched & searched unsuccessfully for proof that had ever been an <br>> issue<br>> or concern, all the while ignoring the
testimony of those with first-hand<br>> knowledge? What a pathetic joke! It took lil' ol' me no more than 5-10<br>> minutes of searching the Lewiston Tribune archives to find the articles,<br>> something the City in its "exhaustive" searches failed to find. Why do <br>> you<br>> suppose that is??? Could it possibly be the City was practicing CYA for <br>> its<br>> role in the whole NSA mess?<br>><br>> So, if Mr. Reed sells Basillio's to the UI, you'd have no objection to it<br>> being removed from the tax rolls and classes being held there, right?<br>><br>> You also wrote:<br>> "I must admit I was shocked to hear Ms. Husky's seemingly contradictory <br>> turn<br>> about of opinion with regard to the school and it's students."<br>><br>> Huh? I think you must be confused. I don't want to speak for Rose, but I<br>> think we have always been consistent in our position that while neither of<br>> us would ever send
our kids to NSA, we absolutely don't have a problem <br>> with<br>> NSA in Moscow as long as it operates within the law and in an appropriate<br>> location, which we don't believe is in the CBD.<br>><br>> You also wrote:<br>> "As to the parking, forgive me if I do this from memory. I don't have the<br>> stats or the meeting minutes available. My understanding is that with the<br>> collage at its current enrollment, it is using parking at the same level <br>> as<br>> any other commercial use. "<br>><br>> Mr. Crabtree, in my last response to you I gave you the facts that show <br>> your<br>> understanding is flatly incorrect. The facts I gave you (which I'm<br>> including again) came from my notes:<br>> "No, sorry, wrong again. City staff made the point that NSA *alone*<br>> accounts for about 7% of all auto trips on Main Street: the average daily<br>> trip count is 4806 with NSA accounting for 332.2 of those trips.
One<br>> educational institution *alone* accounts for 7%, which is clearly out of<br>> proportion and a higher use than other Main St. establishments. Also, <br>> based<br>> on NSA's current enrollment and staffing, it requires 43 parking stalls <br>> with<br>> an additional 11 required for the retail space. At NSA's maximum <br>> allowable<br>> enrollment and staffing, they will require 65 parking stalls (plus 11 for<br>> the retail space). City staff stated that NSA requires 12-34 more parking<br>> stalls that other commercial uses of similar size."<br>><br>> That is the information presented by City staff, and should you think<br>> perhaps my notes are wrong, the following comes from the Daily News'<br>> article:<br>> "A Community Development Department staff report shared at the meeting<br>> stated NSA creates a need for 43-65 parking stalls, which is 12-34 more<br>> stalls than other commercial uses of the same
size in downtown. "<br>><br>> My notes are more detailed than what appeared in the Daily News, but the<br>> facts are the same and contrary to your understanding. Even at its <br>> current<br>> enrollment, NSA uses *more* parking that other commercial uses of the same<br>> size.<br>><br>> Now, if you want to prove that City staff's numbers are wrong, knock<br>> yourself out -- I'd be interested. Otherwise, your understanding just <br>> isn't<br>> supported by the available facts.<br>><br>> Finally, you also wrote:<br>> "As I have said before, this really isn't about parking (much less the<br>> slippery slope of educational orgs.)"<br>><br>> I would say the real issue is about the fair and equal application of the<br>> law. I agree with Ted Moffett who wrote, "Selective enforcement of the <br>> law<br>> is a cornerstone of bigotry and intolerance, with favors and a "wink" <br>> handed<br>> out to those who
conform to the values and ideology of those in power." <br>> For<br>> whatever reason, the zoning laws where changed to prevent non-commercial<br>> schools & educational institutions from locating in the CBD. Then, when <br>> NSA<br>> steamrolls over the rules the rest of us have followed -- and mind you, <br>> they<br>> made NO ATTEMPT to change the law first -- they get the wink & a nod . . .<br>> and a blind eye turned to their lawbreaking not once, but twice. When the<br>> illegality of that conduct is challenged, the rules are changed solely for<br>> NSA's benefit. Talk about bigotry & intolerance . . .and it's not coming<br>> from those you apparently would like to blame.<br>><br>><br>> Saundra Lund<br>> Moscow, ID<br>><br>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do<br>> nothing.<br>> - Edmund Burke<br>><br>> ***** Original material contained herein is
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