Yes Jackie, you are right. No other person on earth gets a car as part of their compensation for their work. <br> <br> Can you tell us what the checking account balance is of Doug Wilson?<br> <br> _DJA<br><br><b><i>J Ford <privatejf32@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> What?!<br><br>This has NOTHING to do with a priest's salary (which, BTW, includes the cost <br>of rent for that house, medical, car, etc. that he uses.) Doug was given a <br>truck, a COLLECTOR's item, as a show of "Atta Boy!" NOT the same thing as a <br>priest's salary and/or compensation package.<br><br>J :]<br><br><br><br><br>>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""><br>>To: J Ford <privatejf32 @hotmail.com="">, vision2020@moscow.com<br>>Subject: Re: pastoral attacks<br>>Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:26:58 -0800 (PST)<br>><br>>My church gives our priests a house,!
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salary, medical care, and a CAR. <br>>Imagine that, even with God's love, he still needs that stuff.<br>><br>> _DJA<br>><br>>J Ford <privatejf32 @hotmail.com=""> wrote: I didn't have the same reaction to <br>>the article that you apparently did.<br>>Both Joan and Art Deco were saying the same thing...Christ was/is for the<br>>support of the poor, the sick and the infirmed. Giving a $17K truck to an<br>>unordained "pastor" of a church that does not even support the food banks <br>>or<br>>the other pastoral assistance programs in Moscow and whose own elders state<br>>they take care of only those few they choice are worthy of helping, and who<br>>is someone that can afford to buy his own stupid truck, is sick and an <br>>abuse<br>>of the position. The only reason he was given the truck was for a "show of<br>>support" for Doug's sticking with the church. Yeah, some promotion of <br>>God's<br>>word going on there. Ev!
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were Jesus took such gratuitous show of<br>>support? No!<br>><br>>This article is a call for "pastors" to get off their high thrones and <br>>start<br>>doing Jesus' work. This INCLUDES helping out with the Meals program and <br>>any<br>>other program that WOULD meet with Jesus' approval. Building up of<br>>institutions and filling the pockets of the "pastor" is NOT what Jesus<br>>did/does/will want. In fact, He speaks against wealth on many, many<br>>occasions...<br>><br>>"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich<br>>man to enter into the Kingdom of God." Matt 19:24<br>><br>>J :]<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>> >From: "Ellen Roskovich"<br>> >To: deco@moscow.com, vision2020@moscow.com<br>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] meals on wheels<br>> >Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:59:49 -0800<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >This is SO MISLEADING. This has NOTHING to do with!
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WHEELS. <br>>This<br>> >is a PRIVATE little inside joke with Joan.<br>> ><br>> >The only reason I opened this was because I thought it was some new info <br>>on<br>> >the Meals on Wheels dilemma. . . . THAT I am interested in. But NO, it's<br>> >just you being yourself.<br>> ><br>> >Where's my DELETE button. . . . .<br>> ><br>> >Ellen Roskovich<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >From: "Art Deco"<br>> >To: "Vision 2020"<br>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] meals on wheels<br>> >Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:17:32 -0800<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >Joan,<br>> ><br>> >You make several interesting points about the Wilson & Family's Cult & <br>>Cash<br>> >Machine. However, the reference to the gift of a truck by cult members
<br>>to<br>> >the Cultmaster is a very telling one. It shows how unchristian the<br>> >organization and its starry-eyed flock is and how far they have<br>> >hypocritically wandered from the teachings of Christ in whom they allege <br>>to<br>> >believe.<br>> ><br>> >What should be the object of a Christian's charity according to the <br>>Gospels<br>> >of Christ? The poor and the sick!<br>> ><br>> >But don't just take the word of a nonbeliever for it. Below, with <br>>emphasis<br>> >added, is a timely article by a religious professional from the USAToday <br>>of<br>> >March 12, 2006 discussing this same subject, albeit in a wider context, <br>>and<br>> >much more eloquently than I can.<br>> ><br>> >Read it and draw your own conclusions not only about the Wilson & <br>>Family's<br>> >Cult & Cash Machine but about some other area religious organizations.
<br>>The<br>> >subject of this thread and the issue it deals with is a perfect <br>>opportunity<br>> >for Christians and so-called Christian organizations to demonstrate their<br>> >commitment to the major teachings of the Gospels.<br>> ><br>> >Cheers,<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<br>> >deco@moscow.com<br>> ><br>> >_______________________________________________<br>> >Posted 3/12/2006 8:27 PM USAToday<br>> ><br>> >Not heard from the pulpit<br>> ><br>> >By Tom Ehrich<br>> ><br>> >Preachers and Sunday school teachers are pulling their punches these days<br>> >regarding morality. Our nation needs ethical and religious instruction in<br>> >the basics: honesty, fidelity, humility, sharing wealth, sharing power <br>>and<br>> >sacrifice. Yet those are the last topics one is likely to hear in <br>>churches.<br>> ><br>>
>Instead, for more than a decade, preachers have been grandstanding about<br>> >such secondary issues as sexuality, Christmas greetings and<br>> >institution-building.<br>> ><br>> >Consider the day in 2004 when former Enron Corp. chief Ken Lay appeared <br>>in<br>> >federal court to answer an 11-count indictment for fraud, conspiracy and<br>> >false statements. (Lay is on trial in Houston.) On the way to court, he<br>> >stopped by Houston's prominent First United Methodist Church to pray. His<br>> >pastor accompanied him when he turned himself in to authorities.<br>> ><br>> >Good gestures, to be sure, but how had Lay, a regular worshiper and lay<br>> >leader, gotten so ethically challenged? Some ethical guidance clearly had<br>> >gone unheard or unspoken. His church encourages "disciplines of faithful<br>> >living," but current Sunday classes sound the bell for self-improvement,<br>> >!
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sacrificial giving or courageous honesty in a world growing <br>>accustomed<br>> >to deceit.<br>> ><br>> >When WorldCom chief Bernard Ebbers began to feel the heat of scandal, he<br>> >stood before his friends at Easthaven Baptist Church, in Brookhaven, <br>>Miss.,<br>> >and declared, "I just want you to know you aren't going to church with a<br>> >crook." A federal jury disagreed and convicted him of fraud. How could a<br>> >dedicated Sunday school teacher have gotten so off track? His church's<br>> >mission statement is about the institution's growth potential, not about<br>> >living decent lives.<br>> ><br>> >Attending church surely doesn't make one immune to ungodly deeds? we are<br>> >all sinners, after all? but churchgoers should be able to get guidance on<br>> >how to lead a responsible life, not reminders of church politics, from <br>>the<br>> >pulpit.<br>> ><br>> &!
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devoted roughly two-thirds of his teachings to our need to give <br>>away<br>> >wealth and to value humility and servanthood more than power. Paul<br>> >condemned "love of money." Hebrew prophets spoke forcefully against <br>>greed,<br>> >bribery and injustice. The Law of Moses is concerned with basic ethics?<br>> >respect for persons and property, truth-telling, generosity and mercy.<br>> ><br>> >Yet, in the typical congregation, it is safer to preach about someone<br>> >else's sexual behavior than about wise and faithful use of money, or on<br>> >economic dislocation, corporate ethics or widening gaps in the <br>>distribution<br>> >of wealth. That's my conclusion based on a survey of several dozen <br>>websites<br>> >and posted sermons, as well as my experience both as a preacher and<br>> >listener.<br>> ><br>> >One winning formula goes after themes that are minor in Scripture but bi!
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>in the culture wars.<br>> ><br>> >Consider Tom DeLay, often identified as a born-again Christian, whose<br>> >indictment for money laundering forced him to resign as Republican leader<br>> >in the House of Representatives. A recent sermon series at a church with<br>> >which he used to be associated condemned homosexuality, abortion and<br>> >gambling. But it ignored Scripture's more basic theme of honesty and <br>>mercy<br>> >as hallmarks of truth, and leadership as requiring people "who fear God,<br>> >are trustworthy, and hate dishonest gain."<br>> ><br>> >With rare exceptions, preachers of all stripes seem to avoid what Jesus<br>> >said about wealth and power. Instead, they preach about church politics,<br>> >upcoming festivals and personal improvement.<br>> ><br>> >Despite cascading corporate and political scandals, a widening gap <br>>between<br>> >rich and poor and moun!
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arrogance in public life, I read hardly a word<br>> >about honesty, integrity, mercy, forgiveness, generosity, kindness or<br>> >humility.<br>> ><br>> >I know how dangerous it is to venture into the nuts and bolts of <br>>Christian<br>> >ethics. People will endure sermons about esoterica such as stem cell<br>> >research or same-sex marriage, but they'll squirm when talk turns to<br>> >personal priorities, time spent away from family, wealth accumulation,<br>> >casual adultery or truth-telling. It is safer to lambaste gays than to <br>>tout<br>> >Jesus' model of embracing diversity. It is more profitable to back one<br>> >political party than to call all leaders to account for their behavior. A<br>> >dull preacher will be tolerated; an intrusive one will be fired.<br>> ><br>> >Our nation needs better from us. We don't need extremist politics<br>> >masquerading as Christian morality. We !
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solid and consistent<br>> >instruction in the basics of godly living. We can't hold churches<br>> >accountable for what parishioners refuse to hear. But we can hold them<br>> >accountable for what they shrink from saying.<br>> ><br>> >Tom Ehrich is an Episcopal pastor, author, teacher and writer in Durham,<br>> >N.C.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >----- Original Message -----<br>> >From: Joan Opyr<br>> >To: Tom Ivie<br>> >Cc: Vision2020 Moscow<br>> >Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 4:36 PM<br>> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] meals on wheels<br>> ><br>> >On 17 Mar 2006, at 16:10, Tom Ivie wrote:<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >This really sounds like a silent tragedy. I am surprised the papers<br>> >haven't done anything with this story. I don't think most people realize<br>> >the situations (physical, mental, social, etc. ) of the people who <br>>benefit<br>> >from meals!
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wheels. I hope for our seniors sake that this can get<br>> >resolved soon. Linda Pike is a real go-getter and if anyone can find a<br>> >workable solution, she can.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >I agree with you, Tom, except for the part where you express surprise <br>>that<br>> >this story has not been covered by our local papers. That's the one piece<br>> >of this whole ordeal that doesn't surprise me at all. The Daily News has<br>> >fallen to bits. While Ed Iverson piddles away all the editorial board's<br>> >credibility on the Op-Ed page, the Daily News staff miss story after <br>>story<br>> >after story. And what they do cover they generally screw up. "WalMart <br>>Given<br>> >Yellow Light By<br>> >Moscow P & Z?" Was the DN reporter attending the same P & Z meeting that<br>> >everyone else attended? I don't think so; I think their reporter was <br>>(once<br>> >again) in a par!
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universe. You know, that universe in which Tom<br>> >Henderson of the Lewiston Tribune bemoans the fact that when George Bush<br>> >breaks the law, Congress changes the law to make Bush's actions<br>> >retroactively legal. Meanwhile, Henderson's wife, Virginia, argues on<br>> >behalf of the Daily New that when Doug Wilson defies city zoning <br>>ordinance<br>> >not once, not twice, but three times, it is both wise and reasonable for<br>> >the city to set fire to its comprehensive plan in order to rewrite the<br>> >zoning laws to suit him. Fascinatin', ain't it?<br>> ><br>> >Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment<br>> >www.joanopyr.com<br>> ><br>> >PS: I fear that while Doug screams persecution, what he actually gets is<br>> >special treatment. Say, do you think their might be a<br>> >connection? If I flash my ULC Minister's card around, will the city let <br>>me<br>> >run a meth lab in m!
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house? It sure would help me pay the <br>>mortgage<br>> >and, um, meth is part of my religious observance. Yeah, that's the <br>>ticket!<br>> >Yeah! And marijuana, too. I need a greenhouse and some grow lamps. Anyone<br>> >care to make a Church of Auntie Establishment tax-fraud-deductible "love<br>> >gift?" Or perhaps buy me a new truck? You can do that in my church just <br>>as<br>> >easily as in Doug's -- and the truck doesn't have to be new. In fact, it<br>> >doesn't have to be a truck. I'm still plumping for that 1968 Mustang<br>> >Fastback, folks!<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> >_____________________________________________________<br>> >List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> >serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> >http://www.fsr.net<br>> >mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>>
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