<pre><tt>"I bought stuff at the Co-Op, Spence, Pets Are <br>People, Too, and Tri-State. I could have gotten most of it at Wal-Mart, but <br>why deal with the crowds, the shoddy merchandise, and the largely uncaring <br>attitude of the clerks?"--Keely </tt></pre> <br>Really? I cannot find anything I get at Walmart anywhere else. I do not think that TriState, CoOp, and PRP2 sell the same items as Walmart. To me it is like comparing Jack_N_Box's $1.29 breakfast burrito to a Patty's 12 inch Supreme, sure they are both restaurants, but I do not think they are in competition and anyone can say they serve interchangeable needs and services. Walmart is only in competition with the Internet, ShopKo, and a use to be a Kmart that it drove out of business. I would rather buy my cheap consumable goods from a local Walmart, which employs local families than go to ShopKo or get it off the Internet. <br> <br> Take Care,<br> <br> _DJA<br> <br> <br><b><i>keely emerinemix
<kjajmix1@msn.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> I find it easy to shop in Moscow most of the time, and while there are <br>sometimes things I can't get here that I have to go online for, there are a <br>lot of things here I can't get most other places.<br><br>For example, my son wears Converse High-Tops in an 11, but he likes the more <br>offbeat styles, not the limited selection at Footlocker. Enter Zappos or <br>Ebay online. On the other hand, he and I cruise Bookpeople every month for <br>a magazine we can't find anywhere else, and when my friend from the <br>Tri-Cities and I went shopping this last weekend, it was at Bookpeople again <br>that she found an obscure (and discounted) title about a lost Caravaggio <br>painting.<br><br>I bought my funky green-and-white Raleigh cruiser at Paradise Creek, <br>replaced the stone in my wedding ring at Gem State (the cat che!
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the <br>diamond; I will not, however, replace the cat), and recently got something <br>framed at Floyd Peterson's and Katie Beard's frameshop by Tie-Dye <br>Everything. The latter I had not known about, but a comically disastrous <br>turn at Michael's led me there. I got better work for less, without the <br>snottiness and inexperience of the Michael's framing department manager. <br>Just last weekend, I bought stuff at the Co-Op, Spence, Pets Are People, <br>Too, and Tri-State. I could have gotten most of it at Wal-Mart, but why <br>deal with the crowds, the shoddy merchandise, and the largely uncaring <br>attitude of the clerks? I don't think I paid more, and I got to chat with <br>Kara at Pets Are People, Too, who always remembers my darling cat, Finley <br>(whose name means "one who eats diamonds" in Spanish, I think). It's a <br>privilege to shop locally and a concession to go online (for example, I <br>couldn't find a vintage two-track Druecke scoremaster deluxe!
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board <br>here, but that's why we have eBay. I like to think I make up for it at the <br>One World and Sangria).<br><br>There's no great Econ 101 lesson here, but I think there's a terrific <br>example of what it means to live in a small town. I don't feel at all <br>deprived living here. What would feel like a deprivation would be going <br>throughout the day without those small-town opportunities to meet, greet, <br>and support my neighbors. I'd miss them, I'd miss their businesses, and I <br>think they'd miss me, personally and economically, if I played shop-jockey <br>online or skipped over Moscow to OD on one-stop shopping elsewhere.<br><br>And yes, I feel that way even when clerks mistakenly call me . . . sigh . . <br>. "Kelly."<br><br>keely<br><br><br>From: "Art Deco" <deco @moscow.com=""><br>To: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 @moscow.com=""><br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Council Far From Anti-Growth<br>Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 12:22:27 -0800<br><br>John, Kit, et al,<br>!
<br>We do
most of our shopping in Moscow basically except for the following:<br><br>1. Costco<br>2. The Internet for items that are not available here or are very grossly <br>overpriced. In fact we scan the internet then try to buy or special order <br>items here.<br>3. Businesses with poor, rude, and or clueless customer service. We have <br>had some real horror shows with local businesses.<br><br>With regard to 3 above: Perhaps the Moscow Chamber and/or City could <br>encourage some workshops for businesses that focus on customer service and <br>encourage all local small businesses to attend.<br><br>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<br>deco@moscow.com<br><br><br><br>----- Original Message ----- From: "Craine Kit" <kcraine @verizon.net=""><br>To: "John Dickinson" <johnd @moscow.com=""><br>Cc: "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 @moscow.com="">; "'Donovan Arnold'" <br><donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""><br>Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:05 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Council Fa!
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Anti-Growth<br><br><br>>As someone who is born and raised in Moscow (and been around much longer <br>>than Area Man), I’ve heard the claim that Moscow is anti- business and/or <br>>anti-growth for decades. That includes the last 16 years when we had <br>>conservative, Republican mayors. So I don't think the labels have any <br>>meaning when applied to the current council, which only been in charge for <br>>a few months.<br>><br>>As long as I can remember, people have gone to Spokane or Lewiston to shop. <br>>Sometimes it's for a better selection or a better deal. Others, it's an <br>>excuse to get out of town for a while and see the big city. Does that make <br>>the city government unfriendly towards business or growth?<br>><br>>Perhaps--instead of just claiming unfriendliness due to government or <br>>regulations--we should ask:<br>><br>>a) Is Moscow really unfriendly or is that just a nasty rumor?<br>>b) If there ar!
e factors
outside the city that influence the perception of <br>>friendliness?<br>><br>>I have a suggestion to start a conversation on b). Once-upon-a-time I had <br>>a conversation with a businessman who had considered locating his company <br>>in Moscow. He decided not to because--in his words--YOU CAN'T GET THERE <br>>FROM ANYWHERE.<br>><br>><br>>Kit Craine<br>><br>>On Mar 15, 2006, at 8:51 AM, John Dickinson wrote:<br>><br>>>Visionaries—<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>When I talk with businesses about Moscow and friendliness, the <br>>>conversations are more about where people buy things. I have had several <br>>>business owners tell me that they thought Moscow was not especially <br>>>friendly because so many people travel to Lewiston or Spokane to buy a <br>>>car or use the internet to purchase books, CDs, or clothes. The benefit <br>>>of either sales or property taxes is dwarfed by!
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effect of buying <br>>>local. Being business friendly is a community issue, not simply a <br>>>government one. Buy something today in Moscow.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>I am sure that no members of our community would like a City Council that <br>>>rubber stamped everything that came before it. To question proposals is <br>>>an important function of the council. For example, the proposed <br>>>development just across the state line is very large. It would <br>>>essentially double the commercial space in the Moscow area. I don’t <br>>>believe that growth of this magnitude is planned growth. If we doubled <br>>>the number of houses in Moscow, or doubled the number of students at UI, <br>>>or doubled anything overnight – we’d have significant problems.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>I enjoy reading V2020; perhaps the next V2020 social activity could be a <br>>>shopping sp!
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one end of town to the other.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>John Dickinson<br>>><br>>>Your city council member.<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>From: vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020- <br>>>bounces@moscow.com] On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold<br>>>Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 7:38 AM<br>>>To: g. crabtree; Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 2020<br>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Council Far From Anti-Growth<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>>Gary brings up an excellent point! Moscow's city government has been very <br>>>anti-business. It has opposed businesses wanting to develop in the East, <br>>>and West. It has opposed Walmart, Home Depot, and other businesses coming <br>>>into the area. It has done nothing to help many local businesses that are <br>>>going under. But not only does it oppose businesses in Moscow, it is also <br>>>fighting efforts for jobs !
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businesses developing in Latah and in the <br>>>Pullman/Moscow corridor on the Pullman side.<br>>><br>>>The only place Moscow allows a business to be located in downtown, which <br>>>does not have enough parking for many types of businesses, or in an <br>>>already existing location which is not properly suited for the business.<br>>><br>>>_DJA<br>>><br>>>"g. crabtree" <jampot @adelphia.net=""> wrote:<br>>><br>>>I think that it's fairly safe to say that when a council meddles wit! h <br>>>how<br>>>many square feet a business can be, by what percentage it may expand, and<br>>>what sort of a "living wage " it will pay, it's no friend to business. <br>>>While<br>>>I am reluctantly willing to take Mr. Stout at his word that he's pro <br>>>growth<br>>>and pro business, I sure haven't seen or heard anything from him or the<br>>>council as a whole that makes me!
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it to be the case. To say that<br>>>you're pro business as long as you pay a given wage, sell the correct<br>>>product from the approved country,are just the right size in exactly the<br>>>right location, and are owned by the proper people is to encourage<br>>>development a mile or two across the border in Whitman county. Perhaps <br>>>those<br>>>are the people our McC(A)ouncil and mayor represents.?<br>>><br>>>G. Crabtree<br>>><br>>><br>>>----- Original Message -----<br>>>From: "Tom Hansen"<br>>>To: "Moscow Vision 2020"<br>>>Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 4:01 PM<br>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Counci! l Far From Anti-Growth<br>>><br>>><br>>> > >From today's (March 13, 2006) Daily News with a special thnks to<br>>> > >Councilman<br>>> > Robert Stout -<br>>> ><br>>>
><br>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <br>>>----<br>>> ><br>>> > Council far from anti-growth<br>>> ><br>>> > I have been somewhat surprised by the amount of false information<br>>>being<br>>> > propagated about the new Moscow City Council's attitude towards<br>>>growth and<br>>> > development in our community. The mantra describing our efforts<br>>>seems to<br>>> > be<br>>> > "no growth" and "anti-business". As far as my personal attitude,<br>>>that<br>>> > couldn't be further from the truth. I recognize the benefits of<br>>>having a<br>>> > thriving business community and will always foster that. However,<br>>>I also<br>>> > recognize such things as a living wage, some regulations on<br>>>business and<br>>> > developments, and supporting growth that protects
Moscow's<br>>>quality of<br>>> > life.<br>>> ><br>>> > When individuals in our community repeat the no-growth rhetoric<br>>>there is a<br>>> > negative connotation that does not help our community thrive and<br>>>prosper.<br>>> > The new council has been in office for about 60 days. We have not<br>>> > approved<br>>> > any ordinances that could reasonably be construed as anti-<br>>>business or<br>>> > no-growth. The concept of the recently passed large retail<br>>>ordinance has<br>>> > been in the works for quite some time. The premise of this<br>>>ordinance is<br>>> > not<br>>> > to discourage large retail establishments from locating in our<br>>>community,<br>>> > but rather bring them in as an equal partner in protecting the<br>>>quality of<br>>> > life of our city.<br>>> ><br>>> > I was not!
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to represent any one interest in this community. I<br>>> > wasn't<br>>> > elected to represent the realtors, the MCA, the chamber of<br>>>commerce, the<br>>> > University of Idaho community, or downtown business. I was<br>>>elected to<br>>> > represent our community as a ! whole and make informed and fair<br>>>decisions<br>>> > that<br>>> > will keep our community economically and socially sustainable. I<br>>>intend<br>>> > to<br>>> > do that and hope you will join me in my efforts.<br>>> ><br>>> > Robert C. Stout<br>>> > Moscow<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- <br>>>----<br>>> ><br>>> > Thank you, Councilman Stout.<br>>> ><br>>> > Instead of alleging fault where no fault exists, I challenge the<br>>>people of<br>>> &g!
t; Moscow
to support and evaluate our city council openly and fairly.<br>>> ><br>>> > If it is felt that the council could improve in certain areas,<br>>>provide<br>>> > constructive criticism. At the same time, if it is felt that the<br>>>council<br>>> > is<br>>> > performing their responsibilities in an exemplary manner, tell them.<br>>> ><br>>> > It's an old adage, people, and it has worked for limitless<br>>>generations:<br>>> ><br>>> > "Don't tell me why I can't. Tell me how I can."<br>>> ><br>>> > Seeya round tow! n, Moscow.<br>>> ><br>>> > Tom Hansen<br>>> > Moscow, Idaho<br>>> ><br>>> > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it<br>>>to change<br>>> > and the Realist adjusts his sails."<br>>> > - Unknown<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> >
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