<br> <pre><tt>"Why God killed Onan for his disobedience <br>instead of exacting the usual penalty (Deuteronomy 25:5-10) we are <br>not told. But anybody who reads the Bible carefully knows that we <br>can't trust in God."<br><br>What a horrible thing to say! I trust in God more than myself.<br><br>God took back Onan's life because God gave him a direct command to marry<br>his dead brother's wife and give her a child and Onan openly defied <br>God. <br><br>The moral of the story here is, when God tells you to have<br>sex with a woman and get her pregnant, by golly, you better do it! :)<br><br>I was also unaware that Holy Water induced an abortion. I thought<br>that only worked on vampires. <br><br>_DJA<br></tt></pre> <br><b><i>Ralph Nielsen <nielsen@uidaho.edu></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> [Vision2020] Re: Parasite?<br><br>Joan Opyr joanopyr at moscow.com<br>Tue Mar !
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08:31:43 PST 2006<br><br> > Donovan asks: "I am curious, are you saying that the value of <br>life is<br> > determined by its size?"<br><br>Joan Opyr<br>Chasuk's point, I believe, was that he cannot assign the terms<br>"innocent" or "human" to a collection of cells the size of a pinhead.<br>I have no idea (and neither does Donovan) how Chasuk defines the "value<br>of life." I have no idea how Chasuk defines life, period. We human<br>beings are a massive collection of living cells, a few hundred thousand<br>of which "die" everyday. (Or is it millions? Biology 101 was a long<br>time ago.) That said, though I am pro-choice, I am neither sanguine<br>nor dismissive when it comes to moral qualms about abortion. In my own<br>experience, the desire to carry a pregnancy to term is overwhelming,<br>even when that pregnancy is dangerous, unwise, harmful, or devastating.<br> I've known many women facing an unwanted pregnancy and the unwanted<br>choice of whether or not !
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terminate. None of them danced down to the<br>clinic or had an "I'm so relieved" party afterward.<br><br>And, while I'm on the subject, let me just go ahead and stick my big<br>sexist foot into this debate: until men become pregnant and face the<br>physical risks and emotional turmoil themselves, I'm not all that<br>interested in what they have to say on the subject. You want to hear<br>me rant about vasectomies? About killing (or trapping) innocent<br>spermatozoa who might, just might, one day fertilize an egg? Probably<br>not. I don't recall abortion being mentioned in the Bible, but there's<br>considerable food for thought when it comes to the sin of Onan. If<br>you're spilling your seed onto the ground, gentlemen . . . God help<br>you.<br><br>Joan Opyr/Auntie Establishment<br>www.joanopyr.com<br><br>PS: And don't even start with Thou Shall Not Kill; there are too many<br>qualifiers. Thou Shall Not Kill unless we're talking about a convicted<br>criminal, or self-d!
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or the "enemy." Pshaw.<br><br>Ralph Nielsen<br>Many Bible commentators prefer the word "murder" instead of "kill." A <br>Hebrew is specifically forbidden to murder a fellow Hebrew. Killing <br>people for picking up sticks on a Saturday is commanded by God.<br><br>Joan is correct, the word "abortion" is not found in the Bible. But <br>God does speak of it in two places. Read my letter, the last one, in <br>the Lewiston Tribune, Sunday March 12.<br><br>According to God's law, in Leviticus 27:3-7, the lives of children as <br>well as women are not valued as highly as those of adult men, while <br>no value whatsoever is given to a child under the age of one month. <br>There is no indication that a fetus has any status at all. So size <br>and gender do matter to God.<br><br>Onan's sin was not that of coitus interruptus. It was his refusal to <br>impregnate his brother's widow in order to father a son for his dead <br>brother (Genesis 38:8-10). Why God killed Onan for !
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disobedience <br>instead of exacting the usual penalty (Deuteronomy 25:5-10) we are <br>not told. But anybody who reads the Bible carefully knows that we <br>can't trust in God.<br><br><br><br><br>_____________________________________________________<br> List services made available by First Step Internet, <br> serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br> http://www.fsr.net <br> mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ<br></blockquote><br><p>
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