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<DIV><FONT size=4>Houston (& Michael), we have a problem:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The translation of the bible given in the preceding
post:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>If a man suspects that his wife has had
intercourse with another man -- and possibly has become pregnant -- he shall
take her to the tabernacle, where the priest will mix holy water with dust off
the floor, where animals are slaughtered for sacrifice, and force the woman to
drink it. If she is guilty, her womb will discharge and her uterus will drop. In
other words, she will have had an abortion (Numbers 5:11-21).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>is quite different than the one from <EM>Young's Literal
Translation of the Bible</EM> which appears appended below.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Notice that in the translation above the words "</FONT><FONT
face="Courier New" size=2>If a man <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000
size=5>suspects</FONT></STRONG> that his wife has had intercourse with another
man -- and <FONT color=#ff0000 size=5><STRONG>possibly</STRONG></FONT> has
become pregnant..<FONT face=Verdana size=4>."</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>So, according to the above translation all that is necessary
to force a woman to drink <FONT face="Courier New" size=2>water with dust
off the floor, where animals are slaughtered for sacrifice</FONT> is
<STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff>suspicion and
possibility</FONT></STRONG>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT color=#ff0000
size=5><STRONG>Wonderful!</STRONG></FONT> It is clear that the notion of
due process did not originate here. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Whether the woman is guilty or not, she will be forced to
endure the above described ordeal. <STRONG><FONT
color=#0000ff>But</FONT></STRONG> there is most likely a more harrowing ordeal
in store for her:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>When anyone drinks water as described above there
is a large probability that amoebic dysentery will result, and/or not
to mention some other kinds of virulent gastric disorders, other diseases, and
infestations with parasites. In the case of a pregnant woman, the horrid
spasms attendant to amoebic dysentery alone are in many cases enough to induce a
spontaneous abortion. [Although I've never been pregnant, I have had
amoebic dysentery while living in Africa. Even with the medication
available now, amoebic dysentery is a most unpleasant cramping, gripping,
twisting experience.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Doesn't the above ritual sound a lot like the witchcraft
of Merry Old England were innocence or guilt was determined by all sorts of
painful, sadistic ordeals? Innocent or not, the accused is punished
severely by the ritual which alleges to establish the "truth".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=5><STRONG>And some wonder why there are
non-believers that question the mental health of those that claim to believe
such archaic, barbaric religious rot!</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Notice in the translation below that one of the differences
between the two translations is the description of the testing
waters:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT
size=3>"...and of the dust which is on the floor of the tabernacle doth the
priest take, and hath put it into the water..."</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Hmmm!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The careful reader will notice several significant differences
between the two translations. One highly suspects that the author(s) of
the translation above might have a hidden agenda, and one that does not bode
well for women.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Cheers,</FONT></DIV><FONT size=4>
<DIV><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff>PS to Michael:</FONT></STRONG> What
animals are sacrificed at the <FONT size=6><FONT face="Olde English">Wilson
& Family's Cult & <FONT color=#00bb88><STRONG>Cash Machine</STRONG><FONT
face=Verdana size=4><STRONG>?</STRONG> <FONT color=#000000> And what
treatment are those</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> women <STRONG><FONT
color=#ff0000>suspected</FONT></STRONG> of <STRONG><FONT
color=#ff0000>possibly</FONT></STRONG> being pregnant as a result of a <FONT
color=#ff0000><STRONG>suspected</STRONG></FONT> adulterous insemination? I
ask because Cultmaster Wilson mightily claims to believe in biblical
inerrancy. If so, does he then unhypocritically and faithfully
practice that which is clearly and unequivocally mandated by the scriptural
translation above? If not, exactly what practice does he follow and what
is the scriptural justification of that practice?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>___________________________________________________</DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><?xml:namespace prefix = st2 ns =
"qv9" /><st2:bcv_smarttag w:st="on"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Numbers
5:11</SPAN></B></st2:bcv_smarttag><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> – 5:22<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Young's Literal Translation of the
Bible</SPAN></I><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">11<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>And Jehovah speaketh unto Moses,
saying,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">12<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>‘Speak unto the sons of
<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"
/><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Israel</st1:place></st1:country-region>, and thou hast said unto them,
When any man’s wife turneth aside, and hath committed against him a
trespass,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">13<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>and a man hath lain with her with
the seed of copulation, and it hath been hid from the eyes of her husband, and
concealed, and she hath been defiled, and there is no witness against her, and
she hath not been caught,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">14<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>and a spirit of jealousy hath
passed over him, and he hath been jealous of his wife, and she hath been
defiled;—or, a spirit of jealousy hath passed over him, and he hath been jealous
of his wife, and she hath not been defiled—<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">15<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>‘Then hath the man brought in his
wife unto the priest, and he hath brought in her offering for her, a tenth of
the ephah of barley meal, he doth not pour on it oil, nor doth he put on it
frankincense, for it is a present of jealousy, a present of memorial, causing
remembrance of iniquity.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">16<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>And the priest hath brought her
near, and hath caused her to stand before Jehovah,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">17<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>and the priest hath taken holy
water in an earthen vessel, and of the dust which is on the floor of the
tabernacle doth the priest take, and hath put it into the
water,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">18<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>and the priest hath caused the
woman to stand before Jehovah, and hath uncovered the woman’s head, and hath
given into her hands the present of the memorial, it is a present of jealousy,
and in the hand of the priest are the bitter waters which cause the
curse.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">19<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>‘And the priest hath caused her to
swear, and hath said unto the woman, If no man hath lain with thee, and if thou
hast not turned aside to uncleanness under thy husband, be free from these
bitter waters which cause the curse;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">20<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>and thou, if thou hast turned aside
under thy husband, and if thou hast been defiled, and any man doth give his
copulation to thee besides thy husband—<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">21<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>(then the priest hath caused the
woman to swear with an oath of execration, and the priest hath said to the
woman)—Jehovah doth give thee for an execration, and for a curse, in the midst
of thy people, in Jehovah’s giving thy thigh to fall, and thy belly to
swell,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">22<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN>and these waters which cause the
curse have gone into thy bowels, to cause the belly to swell, and the thigh to
fall; and the woman hath said, Amen, Amen.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV><BR> </DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=metzler@moscow.com href="mailto:metzler@moscow.com">Michael</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:29 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Read the Whole Bible</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Ralph
writes:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">“2. Intentional abortion. If
a man suspects that his wife has had intercourse with another man -- and
possibly has become pregnant -- he shall take her to the tabernacle, where the
priest will mix holy water with dust off the floor, where animals are
slaughtered for sacrifice, and force the woman to drink it. If she is guilty,
her womb will discharge and her uterus will drop. In other words, she will have
had an abortion (Numbers 5:11-21). “<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Me:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">In this case, the woman is
pregnant from adultery and is ‘guilty.’ It seems we should interpret this in the
broader context of what sort of moral and civic guilt was placed on
adultery. If we condone ‘free sex’ in our society today civilly (and
perhaps even morally!), then how could one go about applying this particular
passage?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Thanks<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Michael Metzler
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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