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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Actually, BJ, this is a real eye opener for me, because I
have noticed that the quality of my Gillette Trac II's seems to have gone down,
and I assumed it was because Gillette was trying to force me to upgrade to the
Mach III. I will have to make a comparison study and will report
back.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bruce</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=bjswan@moscow.com href="mailto:bjswan@moscow.com">B. J. Swanson</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'Vision 2020'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:50
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] Goodnight
Goody, Goodnight Ridge</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Excellent,
Bruce! If I didnt know better, Id think you were a rational economist
in disguise!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I believe in the free
market too, but on a level playing field. If my addition is correct,
there are proposals for 1.7 million square feet of new retail in <st1:City
w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City> and <st1:City w:st="on">Pullman</st1:City>
including the Moscow Wal-Mart complex, the corridor and Wal-Mart in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Pullman</st1:place></st1:City>. Is this a
little much? Its easy to say whatever the market will bear. But
in this case, the destruction of smaller businesses before the market rights
itself is not good business and effectively kills communities. Others
will say that the smaller, local businesses must learn to compete with
Wal-Mart. That is extremely difficult when a <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Wal-Mart</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType
w:st="on">Supercenter</st1:PlaceType> carries 60,000 items, many made in
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">China</st1:place></st1:country-region> in sweatshops that are
illegal here. A typical Costco carries 4,000
items.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bruce mentions buying
razors at Wal-Mart. Compare the Gillette Mach 3 razors purchased at
Wal-Mart with those purchased at non-Wal-Mart stores. Notice the color
is different even though the name is the same? Notice the Wal-Mart Mach
3 doesnt last nearly as long as those purchased from Costco, Rite-Aid,
Hodgins, Marketime? Ever wonder why Snapper lawn mowers are never sold
at Wal-Mart? Because Snapper refused to lower its quality (and price) to
Wal-Mart standards.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">B. J.
Swanson<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bruce and Jean
Livingston<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday,
March 04, 2006 6:24 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Donovan Arnold; Vision 2020<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Vision2020] Goodnight
Goody, Goodnight Ridge</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I imagine someone
telling Dave he can't expand Paradise Ridge CDs, and I don't like it.
But the obvious analogy to Wal-Mart that you are trying to make is not a clean
one, in my opinion, Donovan, though I do agree with some of what you
write. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">First, I wouldn't be
the least bit concerned about people telling me where they thought I should
shop. I kept buying grapes, even though the Farm Workers were trying to
organize a boycott. I listen to the reasons for not shopping at
Wal-Mart, and I agree with some of them, but I still shop at Wal-Mart on rare
occasions. I try to patronize other places, and I always try Tri-State
or Spence's, first, because I think it is important to patronize local
businesses to help assure that more money stays in the community. But I
admit it, my razor blades come from Wal-Mart when I don't have a Costco run in
the offing.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">People may still
shop at Wal-Mart, as they could at any other store that is operating
here. I don't begrudge others the opportunity to shop at Wal-Mart, and I
agree with the free market advocates and the need for business opportunities
in our community, and so I agree with the right to expand when it comports
with good planning and the law. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But if Dave were in
the mood to expand Paradise Ridge, by buying up one of his neighbors on
<st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Third
Street</st1:address></st1:Street> in the heart of downtown, where retail sales
are the dominant and preferred activity according to our zoning code and
comprehensive plan, anybody arguing against that expansion would have
worthless arguments, and the expansion would be approved. That is where
your analogy falls apart, unless you were contemplating plunking the CD store
in an area where it was not allowed -- in which case I would likely not
support that location despite my affection for the
business.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think that what
many fail to recognize is that there are too kinds of Wal-Mart opponents out
there in our community right now: those who abhor Wal-Mart and
would deny its entry anywhere, and those who question the planning that went
into this particular expansion effort. I am on record as being in the
latter category. If I can find the reasons that I submitted to the
P&Z public hearing, I will forward them to the list.
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Briefly, I believe
that the proposed extensive commercial motor business designation of the
Thompson property is poor planning. Such developments should have
occurred between downtown and the state line, as the comprehensive plan
dictated, had not the lack of vision by prior councils allowed most of that
property along <st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">A
street</st1:address></st1:Street> to become apartments, contrary to the
comprehensive plan. Such a plan would still allow us to shop and draw us
through downtown, making it more likely that our lovely downtown is a
convenient stop along the way. There is still opportunity for expanded
commercial development in the area from behind the mall to the state
line, as was proposed at the same council meeting last June when the
Thompson project first surfaced. Equally and maybe
more important given greater availability, there is a much more obvious
existing site than the Thompson property for such extensive commercial
developments at the north and south ends of town along Highway 95, a far
better traffic corridor. The Thompson property ought, in my opinion, to
be primarily residential (as it was designated in the comp plan until a bad
planning decision by the prior council last June) and not destroy the ambience
of the existing owners to the east and across the street on Ridge.
Finally, we ought to be saving the west end of the Thompson property for
future expansion of higher paying businesses than a shopping center; we ought
to allow Alturas that room to expand, while fostering a pro-business attitude
and encouraging businesses that pay at least living wages to locate
here.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now at the risk of
being a little windy here, and if you are not already snoozing, there is a
third category of Wal-Mart opponent, in my opinion and of which I am also a
member, and it relates to limited opportunities for shopping in Moscow, the
almighty mantra of "market choice." I mentioned this on the list a while
back and it engendered little discussion. I expected to hear a rebuttal
from Jeff Harkins who is the most fervent free marketer on the list and
my compatriot on the LEDC, and he said he was working on it, but I
seem to have missed it. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The "more market
choice" category that I just mentioned might at first blush appear to
support letting anyone expand and enter, and see what happens, the classic
laissez faire free market approach. But what I am contemplating is
something different. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It seems to me that
we are a very small community with a relatively limited amount of disposable
income to spend in (and therefore support) the local stores of all
types. Wal-Mart offers one kind of shopping venue, and a Super Wal-Mart
would admittedly offer more (if perhaps of the same lower
quality) and the most significant addition might be food.
There is already a Wal-Mart here. There are four grocery stores, the
Co-op on the high end, Winco on the low end (offering similar pricing to
Wal-Mart from what I understand) and Rosauer's and Safeway in between.
There will soon be a Super Wal-Mart a mere ten miles away in <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Pullman</st1:place></st1:City>.
</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The market choice
that I am talking about is more choices for us. Why a Wal-Mart which we
already have? Why not something else, so our consumer choices are
enhanced more than by the expansion of the existing low-end product line at
Wal-Mart? Why not have our city and economic development and business
supporters work on attracting an alternative to Wal-Mart, so that our limited
choices are not so likely to become primarily Wal-Mart? Why not work
harder to attract something more interesting and beneficial to consumer
choice? Why let Wal-Mart pre-empt the market and fill it up in the
predatory fashion that it appears to be following with two supercenters within
10 miles? Why are we only talking about the choices that the
entrepreneurs choose to offer and not the choices that we consumers would like
to see? We could work toward educating other entrepreneurs and
attracting them instead, and if we put in place rules that applied to all and
some chose to play where Wal-Mart didn't, why wouldn't we be better off by
having more varied choices?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Perhaps most
significant to my "more consumer choices" angle, why let a 200,000 square foot
store come in and soak up the available dollars in this very small community
and make it less likely for other more varied folks to enter our market?
Why isn't 100,000 square feet enough in this little community? A size
cap would allow us more choices. I have a good friend on the
Chamber Board (who would probably prefer to remain nameless) and he likes to
talk about how students often have the most disposable dollars to spend,
despite their low income, and that we ought to be able to market <st1:City
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City> and interest
someone other than Wal-Mart to enter our community. If we are to have
big boxes in our community, why not be pro-active and get us more real choice
for <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>'s
consumers, rather than more of the Wal-Mart we already
have? </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Several of my
MCA Board buddies who oppose Wal-Mart and big boxes in general characterize
this as the "pig in silk pajamas" argument, because I do believe that large
stores ought to be allowed, but play nice and look nice, whereas these others
oppose them on general principles. I don't want large
stores to just make the "great big sucking noise" Ross Perot once
described, though he was talking about jobs going to <st1:country-region
w:st="on">Mexico</st1:country-region> and I am talking about more of our
dollars going to Bentonville <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Arkansas</st1:place></st1:State>. If we are to have
out-of-town chains, I would much prefer to have a Costco that pays living
wages than a Wal-Mart that does not, even if lots of those dollars spent go to
<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Seattle</st1:place></st1:City>. </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Lest someone
misconstrue this, I don't believe we can choose one retailer over the other on
the whim of the Council. We need rules that are applied fairly to
all retailers and then we need to apply the rules fairly, but I do believe we
can encourage better and more varied consumer choices through thoughtful
legislating and pro-active and creative economic development
efforts.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; mso-para-margin-left: 12.61gd"><FONT face=Arial
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Putting a halt to an
ill-conceived project buys us the time to do things better the next time, to
have a good plan in place, and to be ready for things instead of just
reacting to the next request on a developer's wish
list.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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