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<DIV><FONT size=4>Crabtree writes:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#0000ff>"Mr. Metzler, Please reread the
actual words that I used in my post. I am not "castigating"you. I am not calling
on you to answer charges. I am not accusing you of any evil, specific or
otherwise. What I said was that I do not understand your particular complaint
with regard to Christ Church and Doug Wilson. Nothing more and nothing
less.</FONT> <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>It *seems* a matter internal to the
church and of no interest to those outside it. Providing information on your own
web page for those who wish to seek it is a reasonable thing. Someone else
taking it and attempting to influence my opinion and the rest of V2020 does
not."</FONT></STRONG></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Perhaps, I do not properly understand English, but part of
what Crabtree asserts is:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>1. CCC doings are only of interest to those
inside.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>2. I and the rest of V 2020 have no interest
in this issue.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>3. [Tacit] Do not post any more on
this topic since it will affect no one, especially me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Crabtree just previously posted:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>"To look at my posts and take from
them any hint of "banning" or censorship is to completely and I suspect
deliberately misread what I have written. A fairly common tactic among the
I loathe CC crowd. For me to suggest an alternative to "fords" endless
carrying on is hardly totalitarian, anti "civil liberties," or "despotic." Over
blown rhetoric in the extreme."</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Exercise: Take the old adage, "If it looks like a duck,
waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck."
Substitute the word "censorship" for "duck" in the quote just after rereading
the first part of this post.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>If Gray Crabtree honestly believes that what Michael, J Ford,
Keely Emerine-Mix, Sally Kirkland, and others have been posting is not
going </FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#ff0000 size=2><STRONG>to influence</STRONG>
<FONT face=Verdana color=#000000 size=4>some of</FONT> <STRONG>the rest on
V2020"</STRONG><FONT face=Verdana color=#000000 size=4> or that there are none
that are interested in the doings of the cult on V 2020, then perhaps he needs a
reality check.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Since Michael is currently a member of the CCC and J Ford was
once a member, their words have great significance and impact for many of
us. If they do not impact Crabtree, that is fine, he can use his delete
key. He doesn't have try to persuade Michael and J Ford to take
their comments elsewhere and despotically attempt to deprive those on V 2020 who
are interested.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>As a matter of fact, what both Michael and J Ford have
ably done is to point out the <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=6>huge
disconnect/irreconcilable dissonance</FONT></STRONG> between the with the
clear, cogent teachings of Jesus found in the words of the Gospels of Christ
(<EM>Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John</EM>) and the words and actions of Christ
church Cultmaster Douglas Wilson and some of followers like Comb-Over
Courtney and Slowman Farris.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I am sure there are many Christian members of V 2020 who
consider the efforts of Michael and J Ford to be timely, important, and
inspirational. I am sorry that Crabtree doesn't and most likely never
will.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>As another exercise for the interested reader:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Read the following words of Jesus and then read Comb-Cover
Courtney's web-blots and see if you can feel the explosive,
shattering dissonance between Courtney's apologist writing on behalf
of the cult and the use of the word "<FONT
color=#0000ff><STRONG>love</STRONG></FONT>" by Jesus below, and then ask
yourself : "Is this cult horrendously defaming, libeling, and slandering
Jesus by calling themselves "Christian," and by arrogantly and fraudulently
using His name in their title?"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><?xml:namespace prefix =
st1 ns = "qv9" /><st1:bcv_smarttag w:st="on"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Romans
13</SPAN></B></st1:bcv_smarttag><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p><FONT
color=#ff0000><FONT color=#000000> 9 ...</FONT>Thou
shalt love thy neighbour as thyself; </FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p><FONT
color=#ff0000><FONT color=#000000>10</FONT> the love to the
neighbour doth work no ill; the love, therefore, is the fulness of
law.</FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Judge
Not<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><st1:bcv_smarttag
w:st="on"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Matthew
7:1</SPAN></st1:bcv_smarttag><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> 5<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Young's Literal Translation of the
Bible</I><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">1<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: red">Judge not, that ye may not be
judged</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">2<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: red">for in what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged, and in
what measure ye measure, it shall be measured to
you</SPAN>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">3<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: red">And why dost thou behold the mote that is in thy brothers
eye, and the beam that is in thine own eye dost not
consider</SPAN>?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">4<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: red">or, how wilt thou say to thy brother, Suffer I may cast out
the mote from thine eye, and lo, the beam is in thine own
eye</SPAN>?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">5<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> </SPAN><SPAN
style="COLOR: red">Hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and
then thou shalt see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brothers
eye</SPAN>.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco
(Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT> </o:p></SPAN></P></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=jampot@adelphia.net href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A>
</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=metzler@moscow.com
href="mailto:metzler@moscow.com">Michael</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 17, 2006 10:35 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Plan in Action</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mr. Metzler, Please reread the actual words that I
used in my post. I am not "castigating"you. I am not calling on you to answer
charges. I am not accusing you of any evil, specific or otherwise. What I said
was that I do not understand your particular complaint with regard to Christ
Church and Doug Wilson. Nothing more and nothing less. It *seems* a matter
internal to the church and of no interest to those outside it. Providing
information on your own web page for those who wish to seek it is a reasonable
thing. Someone else taking it and attempting to influence my opinion and the
rest of V2020 does not.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G. Crabtree</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=metzler@moscow.com href="mailto:metzler@moscow.com">Michael</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Plan in
Action</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Crabtree
Writes:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">I have seriously tried to
comprehend the dastardly deed that seems to have inflamed Mr. Metzler
it is
just too arcane to understand how anyone outside the group could work up much
of a lather over <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Me:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Mr. Crabtree,
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">If you wish to throw me
into the heap of people you enjoy castigating here, please mention something
specific so that I can answer your charges. I really dont care to get into
any discussions with you, but Im hoping you would give me the ability to
defend myself by referencing some specific evil Ive done that you are
apparently very concerned about. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Thank
you<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Courier New" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Michael
Metzler</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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