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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Donovan,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I like some of your general points here, and I think they have wide
application. However, I think Keely made some good points, which were
accurate and well focused. I’d go as far to say that this post from her
was one of the better I’ve seen in a while; and her argument with respect
to crabtree’s interesting way of casting the issue seems cogent. Further,
she was merely explaining the actions of another poster against strong
criticism from crabtree. I would think that standards of credibility
should be applied without a double standard; certainly not all criticism of
Wilson on Vision2020 is ‘ludicrous’ and certainly not all those who
wish to defend Wilson here are perfect examples of just discourse. And I’m
sure most of us here assume that the topic of CC/Wilson/NSA/Logos/Anselm
House/Credenda conferences are not irrelevant to discussions about our
community. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Thank you<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Michael Metzler<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Reverend Keely,<br>
<br>
It is one thing to use V2020 for the purposes of
raising issues with the actions and intended actions of a group or
organization. However, it is entirely something different to use V2020 or any
public forum to continuously and personally attack another person or
persons because you disagree with those actions or beliefs.<br>
<br>
Frankly, there is no more creditability left with any
attacks on Wilson from V2020, NONE; in part because the claims against Wilson have
become so ludicrous, biased, and often wrong, and in part because the volume is
so overwhelming that we drown it out for information that is actually relevant
to our daily lives. <br>
<br>
Most of us do not agree with <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City> or share many of his political or
religious beliefs. But the obsession with him by some posters has gotten way
out of hand-especially from some that will write slanderous materia! l and not
use their real name on the forum. Your attempt to defend that with the Bible or
Christ does your title and His good name little justice.<br>
<br>
_DJA<br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>keely emerinemix <<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">kjajmix1@msn.com</st1:PersonName>></span></i></b> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>OK, Mr. Crabtree, I'll grant that you were within a few yards of Doug
Wilson <br>
and suffered no ill effect. In fact, I'll match you and then some: I was <br>
once in a room alone with <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Wilson</st1:place></st1:City>
-- his open-doored office -- and suffered <br>
not one bruise, bump, scratch, or owie, nor was my psyche terribly damaged. <br>
No weapons were displayed, no threats were made, and no one insulted the <br>
other person's mother. We even shook hands. Without a hidden blade or even <br>
a joy buzzer.<br>
<br>
Fascinating, indeed. But not terribly relevant. Why?<br>
<br>
Because those of us who revere the Gospel of Jesus Christ see that the <br>
lead! ership of Moscow's most prominent "Christian" church group
represents it <br>
in the most irresponsible, ugly, damaging and divisive manner most of us <br>
have ever seen. That makes us far more grieved than angry, but anger <br>
certainly is justified. When the most visible group in town claims Christ's <br>
name and then continuously behaves badly -- very badly -- those who owe <br>
their lives to that Name will call them on it. Or they should; the <br>
evangelical and mainline community's near-silence on the subject is <br>
disheartening. Either way, those who hate religion will hate the hypocrisy <br>
and sneering arrogance they see in a religious group, and those who love <br>
their faith will hate it even more. Those who hate those who hate the <br>
hypocrisy and arrogance will likely continue to mock them.<br>
<br>
I'm sure, Mr. Crabtree, that you'll understand why your approval matters <br>
very little to me, but I wish you well nonetheless and simply ask that you <br>
accord a measu! re of charity if not to me, then to others struggling against <br>
the Kirk's influence in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>.
If it were just about a wacky, <br>
irrepressibly puckish guy named Doug Wilson, you'd be right. It isn't, <br>
though, and you're not.<br>
<br>
keely<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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