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<DIV><FONT size=4>Matt says:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4><FONT size=3>"As in local religion, you are labeling those
cccers as evil entities of this world. Art the day that christ church goers
start cutting off heads with a rusty 12" knife, while the person is
pleading for his life, which turns into a blood curdeling scream, is the
day you have convinced me."</FONT><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Matt, please read <STRONG><FONT
size=7>carefully</FONT></STRONG> what Christ Church says in their official
organ:</FONT></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">From <I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Credenda/Agenda</I> by Gregory Dickison
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"><A
href="http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm</FONT></A></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3>"The<STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> civil magistrate</SPAN></STRONG>
is the minister of God to execute wrath on the wrongdoer (<?xml:namespace prefix
= st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Rom.</st1:place></st1:country-region> 13:4). God
has not left his civil minister without guidance on how to exercise his office.
The Scriptures set forth clear standards of judgment for many offenses. Capital
crimes, for example, include <STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: red">premeditated
killing (murder), kidnapping, sorcery, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, and
cursing one's parents</SPAN></STRONG>..."</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>"In contemporary American jurisprudence,
none of these offenses is punishable by death, with the occasional exception of
murder. The magistrates have dispensed with God's standards of justice. Some
Christians believe this is an improvement. They would be horrified to think that
the "harsh" penalties of the law should still be applied. Sometimes this is the
result of the <STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: blue">mistaken belief</SPAN></STRONG>
that the Old Testament has no further application after the advent of Christ.
This is an exegetical problem. Too often, it is the result of a sinful view of
the criminal. <STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: red">This sin is called
pity.</SPAN></STRONG>"</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><EM>"If your brother, the son of
your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend
who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and serve
other gods,". . . you shall not consent to him or listen to him, nor shall your
eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; <STRONG><FONT
color=#ff0000 size=7>but you shall surely kill him</FONT></STRONG>..."</EM><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">[<STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff
size=5>Heresy</FONT></STRONG>: Beware, ye not of the cult (including unconverted
Jews)!]</SPAN></P>
<P><EM><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">"If two men fight together, and
the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of the one
attacking him, and puts out the hand and seizes him by the genitals, then you
shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her..."<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></EM></P>
<P><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>God commands the judge to evaluate
the <I>crime</I> rather than the criminal. <STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: red">If
the crime is one for which God requires death,
</SPAN></STRONG></FONT><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; COLOR: red">then
death </SPAN></STRONG><EM><B><U><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 36pt; COLOR: red">must
</SPAN></U></B></EM><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; COLOR: red">be the
punishment.</SPAN></STRONG><FONT size=3> Your eye <I>shall not pity</I>.
<STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: red">Neither is the repentance of the accused
relevant to the imposition of the sentence.</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN
style="COLOR: red"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>"Thus, the Bible teaches that pity is not
an option where God has decided the matter. The [civil] magistrate, God's
minister, is to faithfully execute justice according to God's standard, not
man's...<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This means that we must
return to an obedience which confines pity within the bounds which God has
established for us."</FONT></P></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=4>From: "Matt Decker" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:mattd2107@hotmail.com"><FONT
size=4>mattd2107@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:58 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Holocaust Toons</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=4>> Art,<BR>> <BR>> Glad
to see you are dead set in your views and label all those who have <BR>>
found religion as a bad thing. I agree that throughout history religion has
<BR>> influenced believers into a frenzy of hatred and death. I also believe
that <BR>> it has also inspired individuals to help others.<BR>> <BR>>
As in local religion, you are labeling those cccers as evil entities of this
<BR>> world. Art the day that christ church goers start cutting off heads
with a <BR>> rusty 12" knife, while the person is pleading for his life,
which turns into <BR>> a blood curdeling scream, is the day you have
convinced me.<BR>> <BR>> Matthew D<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>>From: "Art
Deco" <</FONT><A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>>To: "Vision 2020"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] Holocaust Toons<BR>>>Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:58:32
-0800<BR>>><BR>>>Robert, et al,<BR>>><BR>>>Perhaps we
need to be very careful about condemning all Moslems on the <BR>>>basis of
what we have seen from terrorists and those who are now
<BR>>>hating/rioting/destructively venting in the cartoon flap.
There are, no <BR>>>doubt what-so-ever, some very terrible people who are
or who profess to be <BR>>>Moslems, and worse, profess to be the "true"
leaders of Islam and who wish <BR>>>to do many of us great, great
harm.<BR>>><BR>>>However, not all Moslems take this view; not all
Moslems hate Jews. Just <BR>>>as the local CCC does not represent
anything but a crackpot fringe cult of <BR>>>Christianity, hard-line
Moslems, regardless of what they claim, do not <BR>>>represent all of
Islam. It is to the moderate Moslems that we need to <BR>>>appeal
and to attempt to dialogue and to co-exist with.<BR>>><BR>>>As a
non-believer, I see the use of religious fervor by terrorists,
<BR>>>politicians, and others, no matter what religion is professed, to be
<BR>>>extremely scary. Not only can irrational
religious/superstitious beliefs <BR>>>be very powerful, passionate,
mind-numbing motivators, it is extremely <BR>>>scary because unlike
gravity, string theory, electricity, etc, there is <BR>>>currently no way
to determine which set of religious beliefs, if any, are
<BR>>>true.<BR>>><BR>>>This unfortunate state of affairs of
total religious ignorance, and no way <BR>>>of alleviating it yet
discovered, is one main reason why religionists <BR>>>resort to all kinds
of rhetorical tricks to convince themselves and to <BR>>>convince everyone
else that their claims are the only "true" ones. <BR>>>Rioting, for
example, is a similar rhetorical device to shouting to <BR>>>convince
others that you are correct. A "Whoever can shout the loudest
<BR>>>wins." mentality. Rioting/hating/etc also potently engages the
passions, <BR>>>further preventing rational thought/investigation into
<BR>>>religious/superstitious claims and their effects on
actions.<BR>>><BR>>>I do not know what the solution is. I know
from living here and living <BR>>>in/visiting primarily Islamic areas that
once so-called religious "truths" <BR>>>are invoked to justify an attitude
or a behavior, all hope is lost for a <BR>>>rational
solution.<BR>>><BR>>>It appears extremely, extremely unlikely that
the peoples of the world will <BR>>>suddenly recognize that
religious/superstitious fantasies are just that --
<BR>>>unverifiable, troglodytic fantasies.<BR>>><BR>>>If
history has taught us anything it is: Religious/superstitious fantasies
<BR>>>certainly have useful purposes at times, but are not the kind of
knowledge <BR>>>on which to successfully base/predict probable outcomes in
the universe as <BR>>>we know it. Until, or more realistically, if,
that fundamental state of <BR>>>affairs is recognized, horrific, perhaps
humankind annihilating strife will <BR>>>grow and
continue.<BR>>><BR>>>Those who have known me for a long time know
that it has been for at least <BR>>>50 years and is my opinion that the
end of humankind will not be wrought by <BR>>>some alleged god or gods
invisibly hiding/lurking in the shadows, but some <BR>>>f**king maniacs
acting as if those alleged invisible shadows have substance <BR>>>and that
these f**king maniacs know exactly what those invisible shadows <BR>>>are
bidding.<BR>>><BR>>>There is some probability, perhaps greater than
0.50, given the current <BR>>>state of technology/knowledge, the near end
of humankind will occur within <BR>>>25 years and be wrought by religious
fanatics.<BR>>><BR>>>I am glad I am old and hopefully be gone by
then.<BR>>><BR>>>Art Deco (Wayne A.
Fox)<BR>>>deco@moscow.com<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>-----
Original Message ----- From: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:mekt7@netscape.net"><FONT size=4>mekt7@netscape.net</FONT></A><FONT
size=4>><BR>>>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>Vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>>Sent:
Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:30 PM<BR>>>Subject: [Vision2020] Holocaust
Toons<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>>One can hardly be surprised that
Iran wants to play like the little boy <BR>>>>who, when offended,
shouts, "Oh yeah? Well your momma!, is going to do <BR>>>>Holocaust
cartoons. It does nothing for their cause but show the world the
<BR>>>>true face of Islam, a violent and hostile threat to the peace of
the
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