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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4>Pat,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4>Are you sure this friend is not actually in the
cemetery?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=pkraut@moscow.com href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">Pat Kraut</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 29, 2006 2:42 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] the pledge</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have a friend just past the cemetary who is
thrilled with the new store...it will be within walking distance.</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=joekc@adelphia.net
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=DonaldH675@aol.com
href="mailto:DonaldH675@aol.com">DonaldH675@aol.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 29, 2006 2:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] the
pledge</DIV>
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<P>So by your reasoning, Donovan, your choices are limited since we don't have
a Burger King or a Shop Co in Moscow. In fact, my choices are limited since
the closest McDonalds is two blocks away and not in my kitchen. </P>
<P>What I care about most are my own choices and having a Super Wal-Mart will
limit them by a lot. The Super Wal-Mart is scheduled to be located about 1/2
mile from my house, drastically changing the area where I live. I voice my
negative views about the proposed Super Wal-Mart in an effort to see if there
are others who share my views and my values; folks who live in Moscow
precisely because it is different from all the other towns in the world and
have no desire to make it just like every place else; folks who care more
about local ownership, aesthetic values, and human rights than low-price and
convenience which are the ONLY things that Wal-Mart has going for it. Check
your list below and see if I'm wrong. </P>
<P>In the end, I am not the one who will make the decision, so it is just
false to say that, by expressing my views on the subject, I am limiting
anyone's choices. In the end, if we are lucky enough to preserve our
uniqueness and not have a Super Wal-Mart here it will be because it is of the
will of the people, expressed either through actions of elected city officials
or through the actions of a great many of Moscow's citizens. </P>
<P>Note that a large part of what I'm doing is merely pointing out to folks
that all of the arguments that you and others use suggesting that Super
Wal-Mart will increase our choices are fallacious. I'm willing to let people
decide for themselves who is right.<BR>--<BR>Joe Campbell<BR><BR>---- Donovan
Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005
yahoo.com="#DEFAULT">wrote:<BR><BR>=============<BR>"Since we already HAVE a
Wal-Mart and a Super Wal-Mart is scheduled to go into Pullman, please tell me
how it is that keeping a Super Wal-Mart out of Moscow limits anyone's choice."
Joe Campbell<BR><BR>Joe,<BR><BR>I do not think you are comprehending the
argument here. It does not matter the reasons why thousands of shoppers want a
Super Wal-Mart. The questions is whether 30,000 shoppers and a willing company
want to exchange property have the right to do so when they are following all
the same federal, state, and local laws as everyone else. Can a rowdy, noisy,
obnoxious minority group of people stop a store from providing for the needs
of lower income families and those that wish to shop there?<BR><BR>If you want
reason of why it limits choice I will give you several of them;<BR><BR>Someone
does not have a car to drive to Pullman<BR><BR>Someone does not want to burn
the gas to drive to Pullman<BR><BR>Someone does not WANT to drive to
Pullman<BR><BR>Someone does not have the TIME to drive to
Pullman<BR><BR>Someone is not allowed to go to Pullman or cross state
lines<BR><BR>Someone wants to work at a Super Wal-Mart in Idaho<BR><BR>Some
one does not want to pay 5% tax on groceries<BR><BR>Someone wants to keep tax
dollars in Idaho<BR><BR>Someone wants to do one stop shopping in
Idaho<BR><BR>Someone wants to go for long walks indoors in the winter or
rain<BR><BR>Someone wants to do donuts in their big parking lot a
12PM<BR><BR>Someone wants to walk or ride a bike to Wal-mart<BR><BR>There is
giant snow storm a Pullman is too far<BR><BR>There ice cream might
melt<BR><BR>There trunk does not close and want to avoid the
highway<BR><BR>They get lost in Pullman<BR><BR>They hate
Pullman<BR><BR>Pullman traffic is horrible because they have a
game<BR><BR>They do not know their way around Pullman<BR><BR>They like the
Color Blue<BR><BR>The Queen of England is English<BR><BR>Their girlfriend is
ugly<BR><BR>OK so the last three were irrational and illogical but so is the
reasons for opposing the right of shoppers to shop where they
want.<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>joekc@adelphia.net wrote: Since we
already HAVE a Wal-Mart and a Super Wal-Mart is scheduled to go into Pullman,
please tell me how it is that keeping a Super Wal-Mart out of Moscow limits
anyone's choice. As I have stated and argued previously, two Super Wal-Marts
would eventually limit our choices far more.<BR>--<BR>Joe Campbell<BR><BR>----
Donovan Arnold wrote:<BR><BR>=============<BR>"Saying the pledge is like
saying a public prayer; it is an effort by believers to force nonbelievers
(whatever the belief might be; religious,patriotic, political and so on) to
comply with the believers version of reality, no matter how screwy and
non-rational that belief might be."-Don Huskey<BR><BR>Ironic statement coming
from a guy who wants to prevent 30,000 Palouse residents from freely shopping
at the store of their choice because of his screwy non-rational political
beliefs.<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><BR>DonaldH675@aol.com wrote: Donovan,<BR>I did
not claim that anyone made the recommendation to quit saying the pledge
because at the time I posted I had no idea who had made the suggestion. It was
my own idea that saying the pledge was and is a waste of time. And might I add
that at no time did I say anything about anyone's right to say the pledge
privately whenever they so chose. Saying the pledge is like saying a public
prayer; it is an effort by believers to force nonbelievers (whatever the
belief might be; religious,patriotic, political and so on) to comply with the
believers version of reality, no matter how screwy and non-rational that
belief might be.<BR><BR>Don Huskey<BR><BR>"First they ignore you, then they
laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Mahatma
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