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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I worked as a telephone operator for 11 years and I
can tell you that the lack of face to face means that people feel they can say
anything. We were all worked over by what are otherwise decent people because we
represented a 'big monopoly'. Indeed you cannot tell who is a kind gray haired
lady or who is a beautiful brown eyed man by just what is written so many people
need to be excused for their vicious writing. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 28, 2006 9:13
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Divisiveness
and blogs</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Donovan writes:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"But I still maintain that the Internet makes it harder to be civilized
because you lose the <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>body
language</FONT></STRONG>, intonation, and attitude of a person that you get
when speaking in person. Internet is good for content, horrible for
understanding people."</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Part of what Donovan says may be true. However, losing
the sight of body language is sometimes compensated by not having to
helplessly wallow in the body odor of some debaters.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>W.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----
<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=joekc@adelphia.net
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=carlwestberg846@hotmail.com
href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">Carl Westberg</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 27, 2006 9:05 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Divisiveness and blogs</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV id=RTEContent>OK Joe, I have to agree with you on that posting. :
)<BR>But I still maintain that the Internet makes it harder to be civilized
because you lose the body language, intonation, and attitude of a person that
you get when speaking in person. Internet is good for content, horrible for
understanding people.<BR><BR>Take Care,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR><BR><BR><B><I><A
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</A></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV>This will be my last post for the day. I've GREATLY exceded the
allowable number! I find all this stuff so dang interesting it is hard to
resist! </DIV>
<DIV>I disagree with both Donovan and Carl on this issue. With new
technology, we can SEE conflict and divisiveness more than ever before. But
that doesn't mean that there was less of it prior to the technology. Vision
2020 for instance allow! s me to air my disagreements with Donovan, say,
directly and offers the best opportunity I can think of for allowing me a
chance to convince him otherwise. Moreover, part of teh reason that I direct
my comments toward Donovan is that I happen to share many of the beliefs
that he has. If our worldviews were completely different I would not make
any attempt to discourse with him. For instance, I've spent much of the day
arguing with Donovan over the Pledge but the fact is I am just as much of a
corny-ass patriot as Donovan is. If you put us both in a room where the
Pledge was being given, our behavior would be indistinguishable. We would
both stand proudly, hand over heart, reciting the words we've known all our
lives. I know I would be filled with emotion at the thought of being lucky
enough to live in a country as great as ours, and I'm sure Donovan would say
the same thing. I might often sound otherwise but I never loose sight of
this fact. </DIV>
<DIV>I do t! hink that all of us can improve on our postings. We could
certainly try to direct our comments in a nicer, friendlier tone. But we do
need a forum with which to express our disagreements. Vision 2020 is not
perfect but it is the only such forum we happen to have. Personally, I am
very greatful for this opportunity.<BR>--<BR>Joe Campbell<BR><BR>----
Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005
yahoo.com="#DEFAULT">wrote:<BR><BR>=============<BR>Carl is right. Blogs and
email forums do create conflict and divisiveness. I find people on V2020,
including myself, less considerate and polite to others online, versus in
person.<BR><BR>I think it is in part because we do not see the person, often
do not know them, mistranslating their meaning, and/or get so caught up in
the argument/content and lose site of the human on the other end.<BR><BR>I
know many people on V2020, and none of you have horns and a tail. However,
just reading the content of some people, I would swear you ! could trace
their IP address directly to a dark tiny corner room on the bottom floor of
Hell.<BR><BR>Carl, or anyone else, it would be interesting to see a study on
the increase of divisiveness caused by blogs and ways to counter
them.<BR><BR>Take Care,<BR><BR>_DJA<BR><BR>Carl Westberg <CARLWESTBERG846
hotmail.com="#DEFAULT">wrote: I, after extensive research and cogitation
that started about 4 minutes ago<BR>and concluded just now, have determined
that blogs are responsible for much<BR>of the divisiveness that comes with
just about anything that's discussed<BR>anymore, from Wal-Mart to the pledge
and everything in between. With<BR>approximately 4 million blogs being born
every 5 minutes, it's incredibly<BR>easy to find those that mirror your
worldview, and assure you of your<BR>absolute rightness in your beliefs. I'm
as guilty of it as anyone, hanging<BR>out at Commondreams, etc., while those
wi! th a right leaning penchant can<BR>visit theirs, and everything is pure
black and white for us, with no gray<BR>areas to complicate matters. I know
I'm correct in this, because I just<BR>found a blog that says I
am.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Carl Westberg
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