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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'>"You may leave here for 4 days in
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But when you return, it’s the same old place<br>
The poundin’ of the drums, the pride and disgrace<br>
You can bury your dead, but don’t leave a trace<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Art Deco<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, January 28, 2006
9:14 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Vision 2020<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020]
Divisiveness and blogs</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
13.5pt'>Donovan writes:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>"But I still maintain that the Internet makes it harder to be
civilized because you lose the <strong><b><font color=red face="Times New Roman"><span
style='color:red'>body language</span></font></b></strong>, intonation, and
attitude of a person that you get when speaking in person. Internet is good for
content, horrible for understanding people."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
13.5pt'>Part of what Donovan says may be true. However, losing the sight
of body language is sometimes compensated by not having to helplessly wallow in
the body odor of some debaters.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=4 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com" title="donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan
Arnold</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net" title="joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</a>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" title="vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>
; <a href="mailto:carlwestberg846@hotmail.com"
title="carlwestberg846@hotmail.com">Carl Westberg</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Friday, January
27, 2006 9:05 PM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re: [Vision2020]
Divisiveness and blogs<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>OK Joe, I have to agree with you on that posting. : )<br>
But I still maintain that the Internet makes it harder to be civilized because
you lose the body language, intonation, and attitude of a person that you get
when speaking in person. Internet is good for content, horrible for
understanding people.<br>
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Take Care,<br>
<br>
_DJA<br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'><a
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</a></span></i></b> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>This will be my last post for the day. I've GREATLY exceded the
allowable number! I find all this stuff so dang interesting it is hard to
resist! <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I disagree with both Donovan and Carl on this issue. With new
technology, we can SEE conflict and divisiveness more than ever before. But
that doesn't mean that there was less of it prior to the technology. Vision
2020 for instance allow! s me to air my disagreements with Donovan, say,
directly and offers the best opportunity I can think of for allowing me a
chance to convince him otherwise. Moreover, part of teh reason that I direct my
comments toward Donovan is that I happen to share many of the beliefs that he
has. If our worldviews were completely different I would not make any attempt
to discourse with him. For instance, I've spent much of the day arguing with
Donovan over the Pledge but the fact is I am just as much of a corny-ass
patriot as Donovan is. If you put us both in a room where the Pledge was being
given, our behavior would be indistinguishable. We would both stand proudly,
hand over heart, reciting the words we've known all our lives. I know I would
be filled with emotion at the thought of being lucky enough to live in a
country as great as ours, and I'm sure Donovan would say the same thing. I
might often sound otherwise but I never loose sight of this fact. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I do t! hink that all of us can improve on our postings. We could
certainly try to direct our comments in a nicer, friendlier tone. But we do
need a forum with which to express our disagreements. Vision 2020 is not
perfect but it is the only such forum we happen to have. Personally, I am very
greatful for this opportunity.<br>
--<br>
Joe Campbell<br>
<br>
---- Donovan Arnold <DONOVANJARNOLD2005 yahoo.com="#DEFAULT">wrote:<br>
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Carl is right. Blogs and email forums do create conflict and divisiveness. I
find people on V2020, including myself, less considerate and polite to others
online, versus in person.<br>
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I think it is in part because we do not see the person, often do not know them,
mistranslating their meaning, and/or get so caught up in the argument/content
and lose site of the human on the other end.<br>
<br>
I know many people on V2020, and none of you have horns and a tail. However,
just reading the content of some people, I would swear you ! could trace their
IP address directly to a dark tiny corner room on the bottom floor of Hell.<br>
<br>
Carl, or anyone else, it would be interesting to see a study on the increase of
divisiveness caused by blogs and ways to counter them.<br>
<br>
Take Care,<br>
<br>
_DJA<br>
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Carl Westberg <CARLWESTBERG846 hotmail.com="#DEFAULT">wrote: I, after
extensive research and cogitation that started about 4 minutes ago<br>
and concluded just now, have determined that blogs are responsible for much<br>
of the divisiveness that comes with just about anything that's discussed<br>
anymore, from Wal-Mart to the pledge and everything in between. With<br>
approximately 4 million blogs being born every 5 minutes, it's incredibly<br>
easy to find those that mirror your worldview, and assure you of your<br>
absolute rightness in your beliefs. I'm as guilty of it as anyone, hanging<br>
out at Commondreams, etc., while those wi! th a right leaning penchant can<br>
visit theirs, and everything is pure black and white for us, with no gray<br>
areas to complicate matters. I know I'm correct in this, because I just<br>
found a blog that says I am.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Carl Westberg Jr.<br>
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