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<DIV><FONT size=4>Phil, </FONT><FONT size=4>et al,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>You are right about the attitudes of families that have been
here for a long time. Each place has its own defining limits.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>When I moved back permanently to Boundary County in 1981, the
rule was: "You are a newcomer unless you saw the '48 flood. Luckily
for me, I did. Hence, that mere fact opened a lot of doors and networks
which normally would have been closed to me.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>However well it worked for me, it still was mostly blind
prejudice. It is important for anyone to understand the history and past
development of the area they are living in, but the fact they are a newcomer is
not the sole or even an important criterion upon which to judge
them.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Often in the 1980s in Boundary County, the first question an
"old-timer" would ask a person the first time they met them was "How long
have you been in these parts?" The answer to that question often largely
determined the direction the relationship took. At one county commission
meeting a petition was presented to the commissioners with 140 signatures.
The chairperson (a real "old-timer") carefully read all the names, said "I don't
recognize any of these names. They's all newcomers." and then threw the
petition into the wastepaper basket.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Hopefully, that kind of attitude is dying out, though I know
there are parts of Benewah and eastern Kootenai Counties were it is still alive
and kicking hard and where my being an Idaho resident more than 50 years
ago causes the "old-timers" to accept me and what I say much
easier.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=4>From: "Phil Nisbet" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:pcnisbet1@hotmail.com"><FONT
size=4>pcnisbet1@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com"><FONT
size=4>starbliss@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Cc: <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:44 AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Subject: Re: [Vision2020]Who's most vocal? (was Zoning Law
&FreewheelingCapitalism)</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=4>> Ted<BR>> <BR>> You
hit the ultimate Idaho problem with a hammer.<BR>> <BR>> My familys bones
are buried in other parts of the state (some back before <BR>> it even was a
state) yet each town in Idaho has its own pecking order for <BR>> what is
considered an old timer. Hence, a Rob Lemke, who was born in <BR>>
Moscow, but raised in Potlatch and moved to Boise to work for the State gets
<BR>> called an outsider by a transplant from overseas who moved here about
the <BR>> time Rob took a job in Boise a quarter century ago.<BR>>
<BR>> You yourself are stating that recent arrivals have a different attitude
than <BR>> you do and hark back to 1965 as a magical year. I have no
doubt you see <BR>> yourself as an old timer, which means you categorize
those with less time <BR>> here as newbies. That ought to give you a
taste for the sense that those <BR>> who have four or five generations buried
here have about those who arrived <BR>> any time in the last five
decades. Its one of the charms of our Idaho <BR>> insularity, a pecking
order that is ingrained in soil.<BR>> <BR>> Phil Nisbet<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>>>From: Ted Moffett <</FONT><A
href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com"><FONT
size=4>starbliss@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>>To: "Area Man
(Dan C)" <</FONT><A href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>areaman@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>>CC: vision2020
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020]Who's most vocal? (was Zoning Law &
<BR>>>FreewheelingCapitalism)<BR>>>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:39:51
-0800<BR>>><BR>>>Dan et. al.<BR>>><BR>>>How long does
someone need to live in Moscow or the Palouse to be
<BR>>>considered<BR>>>an "old timer," in your opinion? I guess
you think 20 years is not enough?<BR>>>Then is it 30, 40, 50
years?<BR>>><BR>>>Do you really think the "transplants" are chasing
the "old timers" out of<BR>>>town? That's a strong statement.
I think some accurate facts are needed <BR>>>to<BR>>>back that
up. I don't think many "transplants" would like this view
of<BR>>>their impact.<BR>>><BR>>>It would be interesting to
attempt to survey the "transplants" to really<BR>>>find out if they think
development in the Moscow area is too much or OK. I<BR>>>know people
who are new to the area who think that those who complain about<BR>>>the
increase in traffic, etc. to be laughable, when they compare Moscow
to<BR>>>Boston, etc. It's a relative issue, I guess. I can compare
Moscow's <BR>>>current<BR>>>traffic to 1965 when I first walked the
streets of this "little" town, and <BR>>>I<BR>>>personally don't
like the increase in traffic, among other changes growth
<BR>>>is<BR>>>bringing.<BR>>><BR>>>I like to joke with a
friend of mine in Boise that I am going to move to<BR>>>Boise to escape
all the traffic up here! But really I am not
totally<BR>>>joking. I expect traffic and big development in Boise,
but I have no<BR>>>reference point for how Boise was 50 years ago, or not
a very personal<BR>>>heartfelt reference point. But I do have such a
reference point for <BR>>>Moscow.<BR>>><BR>>>"All Things Must
Pass," as the late great George Harrison sang on his
<BR>>>double<BR>>>solo album of the same
title.<BR>>><BR>>>Ted Moffett<BR>>><BR>>>On 1/9/06, Area
Man (Dan C) <</FONT><A href="mailto:areaman@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>areaman@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>> wrote:<BR>>>
><BR>>> > Ted said:<BR>>> > "The growth in population will
fuel an increasing mentality that does<BR>>> > not even know about or
care about what is being lost, when people with<BR>>> > money move to
the Palouse from much bigger uglier cities, who will think<BR>>> > that
the older locals who complain about too much unmanaged or ugly<BR>>> >
development compromising the quality of life, are so quaint."<BR>>>
><BR>>> > I have found that a lot of people who are most vocal
against "unmanaged<BR>>> > or ugly development compromising the quality
of life" are not older<BR>>> > locals, but transplants. Yes,
there are some who are vocal that have<BR>>> > been here their
entire lives, but most have not. I'm not saying that<BR>>> >
unmanaged development is good, I'm just expressing my opinion about
who<BR>>> > is most vocal about it (or anything else, for that
matter). Part of<BR>>> > that reason is that the transplants are
so vocal and good at making<BR>>> > changes that it is chasing the old
timers out of town.<BR>>> ><BR>>> > Moving to town 20 years
ago doesn't make you an old timer. Definitely<BR>>> > not an old
timer like that ol' fart John Weber.<BR>>> ><BR>>> >
DC<BR>>> ><BR>>> > P.S. I like John, it's just been a
few months since the campaign, and<BR>>> > he probably misses me poking
fun at him. Although, since he is a<BR>>> > technophobe, he won't
see this anyway.<BR>>> ><BR>>> >
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