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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You are absolutely right...I just want them to know
how futile their parking argument is because their elimination of NSA will not
solve the problem of parking. </FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@adelphia.net href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g. crabtree</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pkraut@moscow.com
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">Pat Kraut</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:51
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] "Liberals"
Slammed For Pro-Business CBD Stance?</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ms. Kraut, The pesky question that you pose is
quite irrelevant. Parking is not the real concern and it never was. There are
folks who have an irrational fear of "androids" and they managed to get one of
their own onto the council. As to the 1912 bldg. tearing it down to provide
parking for high school students strikes me as a lousy idea. The real solution
would have been to sell it to a private developer to do with as he would. A
tax asset rather than a burden.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g. crabtree</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=pkraut@moscow.com href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">Pat Kraut</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 07, 2006 7:29
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] "Liberals"
Slammed For Pro-Business CBD Stance?</DIV>
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<DIV>"Has anyone considered that if a very successful business moved into
the NSA building the parking problems might be worse?"</DIV>
<DIV>Yes, Yes I have and while I might find it amusing in a warped sort of
way it won't make for any sort of peace and I do want some peace on the
subject. I'm tellin ya the 1912 building needs to come down. </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=starbliss@gmail.com href="mailto:starbliss@gmail.com">Ted
Moffett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=thansen@moscow.com
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=pkraut@moscow.com
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">pkraut@moscow.com</A> ; <A
title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:42
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] "Liberals"
Slammed For Pro-Business CBD Stance?</DIV>
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<DIV>Tom et. al.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>When I wrote that those who seek to allow NSA to remain in the CBD
represent a "liberal agenda," I meant that they appear to oppose the
"intent" of what the CBD is about, that is, good old fashioned free market
profit making (and tax paying) capitalism, with the possible motivation to
allow a religious institution a pass because many have a soft
spot for fellow believers, thus displaying a "religious oriented
liberal agenda" that shows favor for promoting religion over capitalism in
the CBD. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Of course, some argue NSA provides a service, education, purchased
with dollars that fuel the economics of the CBD. But NSA is not
open to the public to use their "services," and the tax exemptions present
another problem, though there are other tax exempt non-profits in the CBD,
as well as private organizations that limit public use. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This whole issue is far more complicated and thorny than many wish to
admit, though I think the zoning regs. for the CBD are clear
that non-commercial higher educational institutions are not a
permissible use, and there are legitimate concerns that NSA flaunted
these regs. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The current and potential size of NSA, given a tax exempt
status, is certainly cause for concern, along with the parking problems,
as has been stated repeatedly. Some cities in the USA have set
limits on the number of tax exempt institutions that can occupy certain
business districts because of the erosion of the tax base, and also
mandate that tax exempt religious institutions must provide their own
parking. NSA does not own any property near NSA where they provide
much parking, as we know, unless Anselm House has a few spots.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Pat Kraut says the parking problems will remain no matter what
business is occupying NSA's building. True, but if the NSA building
was occupied by a profit making tax paying business offering goods or
services open to all the public, the tax base would not be eroding,
and the whole community could potentially have access. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Has anyone considered that if a very successful business moved into
the NSA building the parking problems might be worse? No one thinks
NSA moving will solve Moscow's downtown parking problems. The issue
is those associated with NSA who park and take away customers
from other profit oriented businesses in the CBD struggling to
survive and pay those darned taxes. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It's no big secret why malls and Wal-Mart, etc. have huge
parking lots that seem like overkill. If someone can't park close to
their shopping destination, they will go elsewhere. How much
business is lost in the CBD because potential customers have almost
guaranteed convenient parking at the Moscow Mall, Eastside, or
Wal-Mart? I wish there more people willing to walk or bike, but
these options would require a sea change in city planning and public
thinking and feeling to become realistic options. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here are a few interesting articles that relate to
government regulation of religious institutions that reveals how
complex and varied these legal problems are, and offer some legal insights
into what we may see in court if the NSA case ends up in a legal battle:
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/commentary.aspx?id=15633"
target=_blank>http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/commentary.aspx?id=15633</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/rel_liberty/establishment/topic.aspx?topic=tax_exemptions"
target=_blank>http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/rel_liberty/establishment/topic.aspx?topic=tax_exemptions
</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/analysis.aspx?id=15646"
target=_blank>http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/analysis.aspx?id=15646</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ted Moffett<BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 1/6/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Tom
Hansen</B> <<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com" target=_blank>thansen@moscow.com</A>>
wrote: </SPAN>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I tend to agree
on the most part, Mr. Moffett.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">For as long as
I can remember, conservatives have fought against government influence
in our private lives.</SPAN> </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ironic, isn't
it?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tom
Hansen</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Moscow</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> ,
Idaho</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">"Life should NOT be a journey to
the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and
well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one
hand, a drink in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out
and screaming 'WOO HOO. What a ride!'" </SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A> [mailto:<A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ted
Moffett<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday,
January 06, 2006 4:48 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <A
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Vision2020] "Liberals"
Slammed For Pro-Business CBD Stance?</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">All:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I
find it odd in the extreme that the decision to maintain the debate
about the business focus of the CBD by the Moscow City Council
and Mayor Nancy Cheney, in the resent decision to take
more time to consider the granting of a CUP to NSA, has been
labeled "liberal" and "leftist" by some in local media.
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Are
not "leftists" and "liberals" those who take a more anti-business
stance regarding how government regulation impacts the so called "free
market," than "right wingers" and "conservatives?"
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">If
NSA could be replaced in the CBD by a free market profit making
capitalist business (NSA could simply move outside the CBD), why is this
not to the liking of those free market capitalist advocates (those who
often are called conservatives or right wingers), who ostensibly seek to
promote the inherent value of such institutions in our society?
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">It
seems in this case that the so called liberals are championing
capitalism in their critical view of NSA's activity in the CBD, while
the so called conservatives are actually taking a stance in favor of a
non-profit institution, whose goals are ostensibly not those of making a
buck and getting rich offering goods or services. Indeed,
NSA is above this sort of crass capitalism, is it not? Or am
I wrong? I might actually respect NSA in this regard,
with some serious qualifications, if indeed they serve higher goals than
making a killing worshiping the almighty dollar. But business is
business, and worshiping the almighty dollar is what the CBD is
ostensibly about, I assume. Again, am I wrong?
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Are
those who defend NSA "socialists," if they defend NSA against the pure
goals of capitalism that the CBD might be considered to embody?</SPAN>
</FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The
simple minded labeling of those who oppose NSA's presence in the CBD as
"liberals" or "leftists" reflects the common practice of
utilizing a polarizing linear sort of thinking in
political/economic thought, that does a disservice to a detailed
critical political analysis that recognizes the full complexity of
political/economic ideology, ideology that often does not fit the
Procrustean bed that demands political opinions must be either "left" or
"right." </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">This is reflected more broadly in the current
muddle headed nonsense about President Bush being a "conservative,"
while he has recklessly spent half a trillion dollars on a foolish war
in Iraq with little chance of success. </SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">The
war in Iraq strikes me as a classic wasteful liberal boondoggle of the
most extreme sort!</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Promoting NSAs presence in the CBD also could be
deconstructed as reflective of a religious oriented liberal
agenda.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ted
Moffett</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV></SPAN></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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