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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Thank you Mark, for bringing
the Floodwoods to Phil's attention. I have logged State, Federal and private
grounds throughout Northern and Central Idaho. With a few acceptions from
licquidating private owners, the State Forest ground was always the worst
managed. The Floodwood area from Clarkia back to the resevoir is a sad one
indeed from the perspective of multiple use management and the State led the
charge in the destruction. The USFS at least gives lip service to other uses. In
1990 I worked on one of the last of the big cedar cites back there. Fourteen
foot diameter Cedars and five foot through White pines 250 feet tall were the
norm on that state sale; one of the last of the big-tree sales from there. Some
of the older loggers told a story of a dark primeval forest that canopied the
roads all the way through from Clarkia to the river. Gone now isn't
it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jim Reynolds</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Moscow</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> vision2020-bounces@moscow.com on behalf of
Mark Solomon<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sat 1/7/2006 10:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Phil Nisbet;
mushroom@moscow.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> vision2020@moscow.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Vision2020] HR 3855<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Phil,<BR><BR>Here's a link to a satellite image of
the<BR>Floodwood State "Forest", fifty scant air miles<BR>from Moscow. Forest is
in quotes because as is<BR>seen in the image: there are no trees. And
don't<BR>even think about trying the line "the trees
are<BR>regenerating/replanting and just aren't visible<BR>yet". A tree farm is
not a forest.<BR><BR>Oh yeah.. the ground just to the west that has<BR>also been
hammered is Potlatch land. All used to<BR>be part of the public
domain.<BR><BR><A
href="http://maps.google.com/?t=h&ll=46.916503,-115.922241&spn=0.118428,0.225563&t=h">http://maps.google.com/?t=h&ll=46.916503,-115.922241&spn=0.118428,0.225563&t=h</A><BR><BR>This
next link is a closeup of the remains of the<BR>"Land Board State Park" in the
middle of the<BR>Floodwood. Once a sanctuary of ancient cedars it<BR>is now a
doomed island in a clearcut sea.<BR><BR><A
href="http://maps.google.com/?t=h&ll=46.902255,-115.899067&spn=0.007404,0.014098&t=h">http://maps.google.com/?t=h&ll=46.902255,-115.899067&spn=0.007404,0.014098&t=h</A><BR><BR>Mark
Solomon<BR><BR>At 7:49 PM -0800 1/7/06, Phil Nisbet
wrote:<BR>>Don<BR>><BR>>Can you sing? I am thinking of a Ren and
Stimpy tune that my boys taught me.<BR>><BR>>The IDL has managed less than
10% of the public<BR>>lands in the state of Idaho and you make the
BS<BR>>claim that IDL is responsible for the most<BR>>egerious errors in
Land Management? Care to<BR>>back up your claim with anything
other than hot<BR>>air?<BR>><BR>>Phil Nisbet<BR>><BR>>>From:
Don Coombs <mushroom@moscow.com><BR>>>Reply-To:
mushroom@moscow.com<BR>>>To: "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
<vision2020@moscow.com><BR>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] HR
3855<BR>>>Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 15:25:45
-0800<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Tom Hansen
wrote:<BR>>> I am all in favor of keeping public lands
public.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Once these forest lands are auctioned off
to private interests, a mortal<BR>>>>person's imagination will not even
be able to conceive the size of the next<BR>>>>WalMart Super Center in
Idaho.<BR>>>><BR>>>>I strongly support Idaho BLM acquiring
these lands. The lands will remain<BR>>>>environmentally managed
and Idaho realizes revenue in the process.<BR>>><BR>>>I assume you
mean IDL (Idaho Department of<BR>>>Lands) rather than Idaho BLM. (The
Bureau of<BR>>>Land Management is, of course, a
federal<BR>>>agency.)<BR>>><BR>>>Under IDL, the lands will not
exactly be<BR>>>environmentally managed. The state
consitution<BR>>>requires IDL to manage with only timber
revenue<BR>>>in mind, and yes, that revenue does go to<BR>>>schools.
But there is a huge difference between<BR>>>managing for multi-use
(including recreation)<BR>>>and just cutting everything
cuttable.<BR>>><BR>>>Some of the most egregious land management
in<BR>>>the past century is a result of IDL
decisions.<BR>>><BR>>>Don
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