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<DIV><FONT size=4>Pat,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>This issue is not about spying as such. As you very
correctly point out, spying is an absolute necessity for national
security. In fact had we'd done a competent job of it earlier there would
not in all likelihood have been a 9/11 or an invasion of Iraq.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The issue is about certain kinds of spying such as wire taps,
electronic communication interception, warrantless searches, etc in
American territory on American citizens/residents <FONT
color=#ff0000><STRONG>without judicial
oversight/approval</STRONG></FONT>.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>That is what the Fourth Amendment is about. And
those of us who have victims of Fourth Amendment violations can testify how
important to everyone's privacy and security that amendment is.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>There is no credible reason why the NSA and Bush could not
have asked permission from the surveillance court for his hidden, now rightfully
controversial program. The NSA and Bush administration regularly ask
it for thousands of other cases.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>It is naive in my opinion to try to right certain governmental
abuses by going through channels. If nothing else, the last few months in
Moscow should demonstrate that going through channels doesn't even work locally,
let alone in the deep bowels of a national security program.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Nothing any enemy read in the New York Times came as a
surprise to them. That they are under surveillance is well known to
them. They have been adept for years at working around a great
deal of that surveillance and even using it for their own
advantage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=pkraut@moscow.com href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">Pat Kraut</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 05, 2006 10:29
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Spying on
Americans Can't Be Justified (ByMollyIvins)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My response was not about Bush...it was about
people who accept a position, collect my money regularly and then go against
promises they have made to keep secrets and tell a reporter. There are
channels for reporting abuse of power if someone really believes that is
happening and it does not include 'leaking' info. I assure I do know what the
constitution says...I teach it! And no where does it say this is right. I
personally believe that Bush does have the right under special order 12333 to
do this. I would have been very surprised to find out the surveillance was not
happening (spying has happened in every war) and I would have joined in
any impeachment proceedings if he had not ordered it! I believe the NYT
has endangered all our lives by letting our enemies know about this and they
should be tried for treason. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=thansen@moscow.com href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=pkraut@moscow.com
href="mailto:pkraut@moscow.com">'Pat Kraut'</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'vision2020'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:21
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] Spying on
Americans Can't Be Justified (By MollyIvins)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hint for Ms.
Kraut:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don’t wait for the
movie. Read the book. It is entitled “The Constitution of the
<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">United States of
America</st1:place></st1:country-region>”.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">There is a short
preview:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Amendment
IV<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">“The right of the
people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants
shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and
particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things
to be seized.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You will notice,
Ms. Kraut, that ABOSOLUTELY NOWHERE in the 4th Amendment do you read the
words “Unless George Bush says differently”.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy">"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied
outburst of emotion but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime."
<BR><BR>--Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Pat
Kraut<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday,
January 05, 2006 5:04 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> vision2020<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Vision2020] Spying on
Americans Can't Be Justified (By
MollyIvins)</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bush cannot trust the people
who are supposed to be keeping his warrants secret. Someone at NSA is
a very dishonest person and has no sense of morals. So, he in
order to keep us safe must do it without them or do you not remember 9/11.
It makes a serious difference to our safety. Molly Ivins has made her name
slamming Bush and I would expect the world to stop spinning if she had
anything good to say about him. She is unbelievable.
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