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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mr. Fox, I am guessing that I have just read one of
the all time great non sequiturs. I do not believe that I have made any claims
at all, fraudulent or otherwise. Has the game changed from presenting a
effective argument too making a cryptic nonsense statement? If so, how's about
Art's dour countenance shows a complete lack of respect for freemasonry and the
science of cartography. That'll show 'em.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g. crabtree</FONT>----- Original Message -----
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 05, 2006 3:01
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020]
comb-overs</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Mr. Crabtree writes:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> "I still don't see anything that is going
to keep me from sleeping soundly tonight."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Mores' the pity. Then </FONT><FONT size=4>please do
not claim then that you are a libertarian. Such a claim would be
fraudulent.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@adelphia.net href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 05, 2006 7:44
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020]
comb-overs</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mr. Fox, I admire the fact that you have the
integrity to admit that pretty much all religion chaps your ass rather then
coming on like Sunday school Suzie, wagging your finger and bleating "for
shame." I still do not see my precious rights being ravaged by these folks.
In fact I fear the current city council far more. They, in fact, have the
power to interfere with my life in myriad unpleasant ways. Lest you think I
did not read your post with the care and attention that it merited, I admit
that I don't quite know what to make of Mr. Dickison's credenda article.
Until I have an opportunity to speak with someone closer to the source, I
can have no comment. As to the links that you provide, I don't find either
particularly compelling. A retired philosophy perfessor with an agenda nor a
completely self serving, money grubbing supposed "watch dog" group are
not the fonts from which unbiased information flow. Mr. Wilson
and his flock have a vision for how they would like Moscow to look on down
the road, I don't see how this as a problem. Many groups do and
frankly theirs is not anywhere near the worst of them. And lastly,
your magnificent hyperbole with regard to zoning and criminal behavior. This
has been gone over on this forum ad nauseaum and your taking one more stab
at it with all guns blazing doesn't compel me to hide under my bed or take
to the streets, pitch fork in hand. Eternal vigilance is terrific, I'm glad
you have a hobby, but I still don't see anything that is going to keep me
from sleeping soundly tonight.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Respectfully,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g. crabtree</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, January 04, 2006
12:28 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020]
comb-overs</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Mr. Crabtree,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Time does not permit a complete answer to your question
about why I think the CCC is a threat to civil liberties. However,
so that you may discover some of my reasons by a little web hopping, I
include previously posted material and a few comments.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>__________________________________</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">From <I
style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal">Credenda/Agenda</I> by Gregory
Dickison [Comments added]:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"><A
href="http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">http://www.credenda.org/old/issues/vol3/magi3-9.htm</FONT></A></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>"The<STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: blue"> civil
magistrate</SPAN></STRONG> is the minister of God to execute wrath on the
wrongdoer (<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Rom.</st1:place></st1:country-region> 13:4). God has not left
his civil minister without guidance on how to exercise his office. The
Scriptures set forth clear standards of judgment for many offenses.
Capital crimes, for example, include <STRONG><SPAN
style="COLOR: red">premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping, sorcery,
bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, and cursing one's
parents</SPAN></STRONG>..."</FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>"In contemporary American
jurisprudence, none of these offenses is punishable by death, with the
occasional exception of murder. <STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000 size=5>The
magistrates have dispensed with God's standards of
justice.</FONT></STRONG> Some Christians believe this is an improvement.
They would be horrified to think that the "harsh" penalties of the law
should still be applied. Sometimes this is the result of the <STRONG><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue">mistaken belief</SPAN></STRONG> that the Old Testament
has no further application after the advent of Christ. This is an
exegetical problem. Too often, it is the result of a sinful view of the
criminal. <STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: red">This sin is called
pity.</SPAN></STRONG>"</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman"><EM>"If your brother, the son
of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your
friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go
and serve other gods,". . . you shall not consent to him or listen to him,
nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him or conceal him; but
you shall surely kill him..."</EM><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></FONT></FONT><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">[Heresy: Beware, ye not of
the cult (including unconverted Jews)!]</SPAN></P>
<P><EM><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">"If two men fight
together, and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the
hand of the one attacking him, and puts out the hand and seizes him by the
genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity
her..."<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></EM></P>
<P><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3> </FONT></o:p></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>God commands the judge to
evaluate the <I>crime</I> rather than the criminal. <STRONG><SPAN
style="COLOR: red">If the crime is one for which God requires death,
</SPAN></STRONG></FONT><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; COLOR: red">then death
</SPAN></STRONG><EM><B><U><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 36pt; COLOR: red">must
</SPAN></U></B></EM><STRONG><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 24pt; COLOR: red">be
the punishment.</SPAN></STRONG><FONT size=3> Your eye <I>shall not
pity</I>. <STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: red">Neither is the repentance of
the accused relevant to the imposition of the
sentence.</SPAN></STRONG><SPAN style="COLOR: red">
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>"Thus, the Bible teaches that pity
is not an option where God has decided the matter. The [civil] magistrate,
God's minister, is to faithfully execute justice according to God's
standard, not man's...<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This
means that we must return to an obedience which confines pity within the
bounds which God has established for us."</FONT></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> <SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT
size=4>__________________________________ </FONT></SPAN></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=4>End of direct
quote [Emphasis added.]</FONT></SPAN></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT
size=4></FONT></SPAN></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT
size=4></FONT></SPAN></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Let's
see:</SPAN></P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">Murder (by even a
child), kidnapping, sorcery, bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, cursing
one's parents, heresy, etc. are to be punished by death (by stoning)
according to Dickison and by the extension of the Cult Master's
statements, all of the Christ Church Cult.</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=4>Should
be take the above statement by CCC attorney Greg Dickison
seriously?</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT size=5><FONT
size=4>[1] <EM>Credenda/Agenda</EM></FONT> </FONT><FONT
size=4>is the official organ of the CCC.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT
size=4>[2] Cultmaster Douglas Wilson has on record in
the <EM>LMT</EM> refused to repudiate the above statements by
Dickison.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><FONT
size=4>[3] Cult Master Wilson has specifically and
clearly stated that [his version of] his alleged God's Laws take
precedence over the United States Constitution.</FONT></P>
<DIV><FONT size=4>[4] Part of the credo of the
CCC:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond">...the Scriptures of the Old and
New Testaments, as originally given, to be the <STRONG><FONT
color=#ff0000>inerrant</FONT></STRONG> Word of God, the only infallible
rule of faith <FONT color=#ff0000><STRONG>and
practice</STRONG></FONT>...</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"><FONT face=Verdana
size=4>[5] It is an open, public declared vow of the
Cultmaster to "evangelize the Palouse" and to refashion Moscow,
specifically the downtown in his image of Oxford,
England.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"><FONT face=Verdana
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"><FONT face=Verdana size=4>Here
are two links for your perusal:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"><FONT face=Verdana
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"><A
href="http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/1801/C136/L136"><FONT
face=Verdana>http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/1801/C136/L136</FONT></A></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"><FONT face=Verdana
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"><FONT face=Verdana size=4><A
href="http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=645">http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=645</A></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"><FONT face=Verdana
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"><FONT face=Verdana
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"><FONT face=Verdana size=4>As to
the CCC's attitude toward local secular law here is another excerpt from a
another posting:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"><FONT face=Verdana
size=4></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"> Lastly
but perhaps most importantly, there is a very important public policy
issue at stake:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: red">Are those
who knowingly, intentionally, criminally, and arrogantly violate zoning
laws entitled to have the law changed so that they are no longer
criminals?</SPAN></B><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">I hope any honest,
open-minded, conscientious public official would answer this question with
a resounding "<B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="COLOR: red">No!</SPAN></B>"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">New <st1:place
w:st="on">Saint Andrews</st1:place> was the target of at least two prior
zoning complaints before locating at its present illegal site.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The city found in both the prior
cases that New Saint Andrews acted in contravention of the law.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Hence, New Saint Andrews cannot
credibly argue that moving into their current location was an innocent
mistake.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It was a knowing,
intentional, in-your-face, criminal move.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The above evidence shows that any
claim to the contrary is an outright lie.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Further, the city zoning code <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">explicitly</B> puts the burden on the
citizen/developer/entre­preneur to understand and to comply with the
code.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana">It would be the poorest
public policy to reward this show of criminal arrogance by New Saint
Andrews now giving it an official blessing.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Such a public policy would only
encourage other criminally inclined to do the same.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>In fact, it appears that at least
two other schools are taking a page out of New Saint Andrews book of
sleazy tactics by locating downtown in contravention of the zoning
code.</SPAN></P>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Verdana size=4>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Garamond"></SPAN> </DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Verdana
size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Verdana size=4>With a little
thought after reading the above and understanding that the CCC's intention
is to impose their version of some alleged god's alleged will on the local
citizens, I suspect that you might begin to suspect such activity as
a potential threat to civil liberties. [Pay special attention to
Dickison's remarks about death for heresy [disagreement with the
Cultmaster's theological dicta].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Verdana
size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Verdana size=4>Jefferson
said: Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Verdana
size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Verdana size=4>I, for one, am not
going to wait to speak up until the CCC becomes a larger threat. I
doubt that several others will wait either. Perhaps in regard to
civil liberties, you will not choose wait much longer either.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Verdana
size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><FONT face=Verdana size=4>As to other
religious denominations, sects, and cults being a threat to civil
liberties: Many are. Most of these I can do little
about. Not so with the CCC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><BR><FONT face=Verdana size=4>Art Deco
(Wayne A. Fox)<BR></FONT><A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT
face=Verdana
size=4>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><FONT
face=Verdana size=4></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jampot@adelphia.net href="mailto:jampot@adelphia.net">g.
crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> ; <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision
2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 03, 2006
7:09 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020]
comb-overs</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mr. Fox, Please school me as to how the CCC
is " a grave threat to civil liberties." It would seem to me that their
teachings are little different from other conservative denominations
that come to mind and I don't think that they really have the clout of
the LDS or the Roman Catholics. I would desperately like to know how
this totalitarian nightmare that scares you so is going to be brought
about.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>g. crabtree</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=vision2020@moscow.com href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision
2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 03, 2006
3:35 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020]
comb-overs</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Keely, Ellen,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>With all due respect, we a small
disagreement.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>First of all, I agree that it is unkind/unacceptable
to make derogatory comments about appearance aspects in many
cases: race, ethnic origin/appearance, gender preference/style,
height, unregulatable weight, etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>However, there are certain appearance items that are
suggestive but not confirmatory of certain other traits. Without
wanting to start a major slugfest (but it probably will), I'll give an
example.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>When I worked as a consultant, some of my advice was
sought and taken on potential management, technical, and
executive hires. During the screening process it sometime
happened that an applicant exhibited a red nose and cheeks --
broken and/or barely subdermal capillaries. There can be many
causes of this. However, when you are hiring a high salaried
person from whom diligence and production is needed and expected,
there are two conditions that can cause this condition for which more
information is needed in the evaluation of the candidate:
excessively elevated or prolonged high blood pressure or a
alcohol abuse problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>In either case a need arises from the initial
observation for more information to assist in determining the
risk/reward of hiring the applicant. It would be foolish to hire
a person with a long standing drinking problem unless there was
evidence that this condition did not affect his past work performance
and would not affect his future work performance. Similarly, a
person with a history of high blood pressure is probably not going to
be a good candidate for a high stress level position -- either from
their or the company's perspective.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Appearance does matter as a suggestion of other
traits. It is not determinative alone, but it raises questions
that in certain situations need to be answered by further
query.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Using your imagination and experience, I am sure you
can think of other physical appearances including dress, hair style,
hygiene, etc that are similarly suggestive.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>In my experience, men with extreme comb-overs are
often, but not always, vainglorious, and with other traits that
accompany vaingloriousness including dishonesty about things of
importance to them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>In the case of Dale Courtney we have lots of other
information upon which to base an assessment of the traits suggested
by his hair style: The tendencies in his web-blots, for example,
to play fast and loose with the truth whenever something seems to
reflect badly upon something that he is identified with.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Rose Huskey pointed this out at the beginning of
this thread about his attempt to whitewash the unchristian
discrimination against those with learning disabilities at Logos
School. He often incompletely (with malice) and sometimes out of
context (with malice) quotes/mischaracterizes those whom he attacks in
his web-blots. His pseudo-libertarianism is obvious --
pretending to believe in personal liberty while being the lay
mouthpiece for the CCC, an organization that is a grave threat to
civil liberties to people on the Palouse.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Hence, Courtney's extreme comb-over is both a
symptom and a part of his vaingloriousness -- a trait he shares
with his Cultmaster -- and all that goes with it.
<STRONG><FONT color=#ff0000>Hence, as far as I am concerned, his
comb-over and that of which it is a symptom is fair
game.</FONT></STRONG> [There are other games afoot that also
make it fair game. Some V 2020ers are aware of some of
these.]</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I doubt that we will come to any agreement
about the appropriateness of bashing Courtney's
falsies. Such is the nature of things at this time .
However, I will refrain from lampooning Courtney further with the
famous lines from a W. C. Fields movie uttered in all innocence by a
young boy: "Look, Ma. At the size that man's nose.
If it was full of nickels, he'd be rich."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=kjajmix1@msn.com
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</A> ; <A
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11:55 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020]
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<P><STRONG>Thank you, Keely! Every now and again the kids
playing in this sandbox need to reminded of their manners.
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Ellen</STRONG><BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>"keely emerinemix" <<A
href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</A>></I><BR>To: <I><A
href="mailto:dmcourtn@moscow.com">dmcourtn@moscow.com</A>, <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></I><BR>Subject: <I>[Vision2020]
comb-overs</I><BR>Date: <I>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:14:44
-0800</I><BR>><BR>><BR>>One other thing -- I don't think
it's all right to make fun of <BR>>people's
appearance. I don't know and don't care if someone
combs <BR>>their hair a certain way, and I say this as someone
whose hair is <BR>>still in its plain, unstylish Seventies
mode. Dale and I clearly <BR>>aren't pals, but
appearance is
irrelevant.<BR>><BR>>keely<BR>><BR>>_________________________________________________________________<BR>>Dont
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<P><STRONG>Thank you, Keely! Every now and again the kids
playing in this sandbox need to reminded of their manners.
</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Ellen</STRONG><BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>"keely emerinemix"
<kjajmix1@msn.com></I><BR>To: <I>dmcourtn@moscow.com,
vision2020@moscow.com</I><BR>Subject: <I>[Vision2020]
comb-overs</I><BR>Date: <I>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:14:44
-0800</I><BR>><BR>><BR>>One other thing -- I don't think
it's all right to make fun of <BR>>people's
appearance. I don't know and don't care if someone combs
<BR>>their hair a certain way, and I say this as someone whose
hair is <BR>>still in its plain, unstylish Seventies
mode. Dale and I clearly <BR>>aren't pals, but
appearance is
irrelevant.<BR>><BR>>keely<BR>><BR>>_________________________________________________________________<BR>>Dont
just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
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