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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A href="mailto:Tbertruss@aol.com">Tbertruss@aol.com</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> 12/19/05 23:33:12</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mailto:CJs@Turbonet.com">CJs@Turbonet.com</A>; <A href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">sslund@adelphia.net</A>; <A href="mailto:janestacarcich@yahoo.com">janestacarcich@yahoo.com</A>; <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Cc:</B></I> <A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>; <A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: [Vision2020] Health District HIV Gossip?</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>All:<BR><BR>I applaud your efforts to encourage HIV testing. - <FONT color=#ff0000>Thank you.</FONT> <BR><BR>I will explain again what my point was about "Health District Gossip?" Note the question mark, which indicates I am not sure who was doing the "gossiping," if indeed we are discussing an example of gossip, because I am not sure where you got the info you posted about who was being tested on the night in question. -<FONT color=#ff0000> please see again where I state where my information is coming from. Would you like her phone number?<BR></FONT><BR>Shelley wrote:<BR><BR><B>No Saundra, this is incorrect. You can call <FONT color=#ff0000>Carol Morley at the Health District</FONT> and ask her. They had "kits" to test those at "high risk." Many people were turned away with an appointment after they were counseled. The purpose of the health clinic staying open last Thursday was strictly for the high risk people that were in direct contact with Mubita as the Health Department had limited kits. There were many people who showed up who had no contact with Mubita but wanted tested. They were given appointments.<BR></B>----------------------------------<BR><BR>The comment made above, which I have not verified, makes the claim that last Thursday night the health clinic stayed open "strictly for the high risk people that were in direct contact with Mubita." Anyone going to the clinic that night as a client, or observing anyone entering or leaving that clinic from the road, or driving anyone to the clinic, or just riding along as a passenger with someone going to the clinic, after reading your comments that Thursday night the clinic was open "strictly for the high risk people who were in direct contact with Mubita," could easily deduce information that should remain private, unless someone choses to make it public, that they may have had sexual contact with Mubita. I am assuming that the clinic does not take the level of extraordinary precautions to guard the identity of who enters and leaves the clinic that would prevent other clients at the clinic, or those in or near the parking lot by the clinic, from identifying people using the clinic. If this is not true, then my objection is rather weak. - <FONT color=#ff0000>rest assured, this information came out AFTER, I REPEAT AFTER THURSDAY NIGHT therefore, the complete annonymity DID take place. The clinic does take<FONT color=#ff0000> "extraordinary precautions."</FONT> </FONT><BR><BR>As I stated, I don't know if the information you presented in the quote above is correct, or if your source for this information is the Health Dept. If the source for your information is someone at the Health Dept., I don't think the Health Dept. should release the time and date of a testing situation that is focused, in your words, "strictly for the high risk people who were in direct contact with Mubita," due to how it may reveal to others that those who went to the clinic that night were sexual partners with Mubita. - <FONT color=#ff0000>read the above! Make the call if you are so worried. Don't slam me here, Ted. I am doing YOUR community a service. Unlike what you are doing. Yes, I am angry. Yes, I am taking this personally. I will comment here, then I am done with this nonsense.</FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I said that if someone gets an HIV test, and it is positive, they open themselves up to serious potential legal trouble resulting from having a sex life, <FONT color=#ff0000>- and you talk about "discouragement" to get tested? HHHHEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLOOOOOO!!!!!!</FONT> and indeed Mubita has been dissected on Vision2020, not just for a positive HIV test, of course, but for the alleged crime of not informing his sexual partners when he knew. Consider that as far as I know there is no verification that Mubita has passed the HIV virus to anyone at this date. And as far as I know you can be convicted of a crime for not informing a sexual partner you are HIV positive when you know this fact, even if no HIV infection was ever passed. <FONT color=#ff0000>You are absolutely correct.</FONT><BR><BR>If you are HIV positive and know this fact based on a medical test, and one person reports to the police that they had sexual relations with you without you informing them, charges can be brought, even if there is no proof that indeed you had sex with the person complaining, nor proof that you did not inform them that you are HIV positive. <FONT color=#ff0000>- not just one person in this case.</FONT><BR>Mike Tyson was convicted of rape solely on the testimony of his accuser.<BR><BR>Even if they do inform someone they are HIV positive before sex, the person they had sex with can still report the incident and claim they were not told. Maybe they forgot, maybe they have a personality disorder, or maybe they just want revenge. These cases happen. Latah County once had a man in jail for rape based on testimony from a women who later recanted their story and admitted they made it up. <FONT color=#ff0000>- again, not just one person.</FONT><BR><BR>I do not agree with the very popular practice in the USA of trying legal cases in the media, or on list serves, for that matter. - <FONT color=#ff0000>Would you rather they not inform the public?</FONT> I guess there is no way to stop this, without some serious regulation, but I think this practice does a disservice to the overall fairness and fundamental principles of justice of our legal system. It places prosecutors and judges in the position of being pressured by public opinion to render verdicts the public wishes, rather than the verdicts the facts and law dictate. And in extreme cases, it turns justice into a soap opera mockery of our legal system.<BR><BR>I have no problem whatsoever with widely reporting in numerous media that a person who is HIV positive based on verified medical testing is facing charges of having sexual relations without informing their partners, even though this could unfairly ruin someone's life when the charges are false! <FONT color=#ff0000>Get real!</FONT> Sometimes ensuring public safety can mean harming an individual's reputation unfairly, but this possibility emphasizes the value of trying to maintain the "innocent till proven guilty" principle. I also have no problem with keeping such a person confined somehow, with adequate legal counsel and access and respect for human rights, of course, till the danger they may represent to the public is assessed, and they are convicted and sentenced or determined to be innocent.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Ted, I am sorry, but I refuse to have any other discussions with you publicly. You bring out the worst in me and that is not what this is about.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#ff0000>Shelley Roderick</FONT></DIV></FONT>
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