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<DIV>Janesta - sweet Janesta. I thank you for the kind words. I too am looking forward to meeting you.</DIV>
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<DIV>One clarification though. A lot more than 20 men/women came forward to be tested. Whether they had intimate relations with Kenay or not. This is an "awareness" to everyone who does not practice safe sex.</DIV>
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<DIV>One quick note to Saundra - the individuals that are HIV positive in our community, are, to the best of my knowledge, are practicing safe sex. Or abstinence. They are not pretending they do not carry a possible lethal disease. As far as I know they are responsible. I have talked with several HIV positive individuals who commend all of us in trying to educate the population. Most of them state had they been educated, they would not be where they are today. They are talking, Saundra. Just not publicly.</DIV>
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<DIV>Happy baking!</DIV>
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<DIV>Shelley </DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A href="mailto:janestacarcich@yahoo.com">Janesta Carcich</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> 12/18/05 11:28:50</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">Saundra Lund</A>; <A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">'Tom Hansen'</A>; <A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">'Art Deco'</A>; <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">'Vision 2020'</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> RE: [Vision2020] Saturday's paper</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I don't have my newspaper here... according to what I</DIV>
<DIV>have read he was told several times by Department of</DIV>
<DIV>Health he was HIV+, yet continued to have unprotected</DIV>
<DIV>intimate relations with women. Why else would twenty</DIV>
<DIV>women come forward for testing, one of whom I</DIV>
<DIV>personally know who DID have relations with him. I</DIV>
<DIV>will not repeat the other things I have been told,</DIV>
<DIV>theey are confidential, and have not been reported</DIV>
<DIV>publicly.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I stand corrected, and should have used another word,</DIV>
<DIV>about trial, judgment and sentencing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> We can't have Kanay in jail, thinking about what he</DIV>
<DIV>did. By all means, he must be feeling rather "pent-up"</DIV>
<DIV>by now. That small cell and all. So why not pool funds</DIV>
<DIV>and bail him out? Then we can spend... how much has</DIV>
<DIV>Whitman County spent looking for Fred Russell?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>ANYONE who knows me, knows I am the last person in the</DIV>
<DIV>world to judge someone if they were HIV+, or have full</DIV>
<DIV>blown AIDS. What I am upset about is his "allegedly"</DIV>
<DIV>irresponsible behaviour.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Health care providers have been practicing Universal</DIV>
<DIV>Precautions for years now. How many of us would be</DIV>
<DIV>upset if the nurse or physician did not use latex</DIV>
<DIV>gloves when performing a procedure, or change gloves?</DIV>
<DIV>*ick* It is time that anyone who is having casual,</DIV>
<DIV>short term, non-monogamous relations to use a condom.</DIV>
<DIV>This is an in our face wake up call. Women need to</DIV>
<DIV>carry them, and refuse a man who won't use one.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My housemate was sharing with me the other day (sorry,</DIV>
<DIV>no statics, or link) that the new rise in HIV+ group</DIV>
<DIV>will be those of my age group and older. Since Viagra</DIV>
<DIV>came out, many men and women are once again sexually</DIV>
<DIV>active. Men and women who grew up in the 60's, the era</DIV>
<DIV>of "free sex", not using a condom, thinking it could</DIV>
<DIV>never be them. Remembering when a shot took care of</DIV>
<DIV>everything. I have news for you. There is a strain of</DIV>
<DIV>drug resistant HIV out there.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>When my children were in high school, our home was a</DIV>
<DIV>place a lot of kids hung out. In those days, I don't</DIV>
<DIV>even want to remember how much I spent on food. It was</DIV>
<DIV>A LOT! We figured if they were here, eating, There</DIV>
<DIV>was always something in the crock pot for them to</DIV>
<DIV>eat... basketball hoop, ping-pong, cribbage, you name</DIV>
<DIV>it to keep them busy, and here! Feeding them would be</DIV>
<DIV>cheaper than attorney fees. Some mornings I would wake</DIV>
<DIV>up to 8 young men sleeping downstairs in the den.</DIV>
<DIV>These boys talked to me about everything, and when I</DIV>
<DIV>say everything.... I mean EVERYTHING. There was always</DIV>
<DIV>one or two in the group who would confess what was</DIV>
<DIV>really going on with so and so... I told them about my</DIV>
<DIV>life, my friends, what happens when you use drugs, or</DIV>
<DIV>drink, giving them examples. I also talked safe sex</DIV>
<DIV>with those boys, the emotional consequences of sex,</DIV>
<DIV>how waiting was a good idea, i brought them</DIV>
<DIV>educational pamplets from WSU Student Health on self</DIV>
<DIV>examination for testicular cancer, among other</DIV>
<DIV>educational materials. AND, I made sure my husband,</DIV>
<DIV>who was in nursing school at the time, would bring</DIV>
<DIV>home condoms. You would be shocked at how many parents</DIV>
<DIV>do not talk to their kids about those things. These</DIV>
<DIV>young men TOLD ME SO! Talk about head in the sand! I</DIV>
<DIV>posted the information about Kanay at other site I</DIV>
<DIV>frequent. Many people were thankful, because it opened</DIV>
<DIV>doors for deep discussion with their kids. Oh, and</DIV>
<DIV>some of you think your kids would NEVER EVER have sex.</DIV>
<DIV>I have news for you. We did A LOT of testing in</DIV>
<DIV>Pullman for Moscow young adults. Kids who had parents</DIV>
<DIV>who would NEVER think their child would even kiss. Now</DIV>
<DIV>remember this was quite some time ago when I worked</DIV>
<DIV>there. Maybe things have changed, and they listen to</DIV>
<DIV>mom and dad.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My head is not in the sand, Saundra. Until recently, I</DIV>
<DIV>worked in some form of health-care around the Palouse.</DIV>
<DIV>I spent 8 years working at Pullman Hospital. I am</DIV>
<DIV>more aware than most of you, that the HIV has been</DIV>
<DIV>here for quite some time.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I find it sad that more of the clubs in town have not</DIV>
<DIV>taken a more pro-active approach in educating their</DIV>
<DIV>clientele. I applaud CJ's for their efforts. These</DIV>
<DIV>kids come away from home for the first time and think</DIV>
<DIV>they are invincible. Thank goodness Shelley has been</DIV>
<DIV>pro-active. I have never met her, so I will be looking</DIV>
<DIV>forward to the picnic.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sorry this reply is scattered. I need to go bake</DIV>
<DIV>Christmas cookies. *grin* In my house they are</DIV>
<DIV>Christmas cookies.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Happy Holidays!</DIV>
<DIV>Janesta</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>--- Saundra Lund <<A href="mailto:sslund@adelphia.net">sslund@adelphia.net</A>> wrote:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> Hi Janesta & Visionaries:</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> Janesta, you wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>> "He needs to be punished. Jail is punishment."</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> I don't mean to be picking on you, but did I miss</DIV>
<DIV>> something? You know,</DIV>
<DIV>> something like the trial, judgment, and sentencing?</DIV>
<DIV>> What happened to the</DIV>
<DIV>> presumption of innocence?</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> Also, can anyone share with us how bond amount is</DIV>
<DIV>> determined? Isn't the</DIV>
<DIV>> purpose of bail just to make sure the defendant</DIV>
<DIV>> shows up for trial, *not* to</DIV>
<DIV>> act as a punishment before guilt is determined?</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> Finally, I just want to add that with the reaction</DIV>
<DIV>> I've seen with respect to</DIV>
<DIV>> this alleged situation, it's no wonder those in our</DIV>
<DIV>> community who are HIV+</DIV>
<DIV>> (and you are living in a fairyland if you think he's</DIV>
<DIV>> the only one) keep it a</DIV>
<DIV>> deep, dark secret.</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> I'd like to remind folks that there are ***always***</DIV>
<DIV>> at least two sides to a</DIV>
<DIV>> story, and we've not even heard one side.</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> Saundra Lund</DIV>
<DIV>> Moscow, ID</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is</DIV>
<DIV>> for good people to do</DIV>
<DIV>> nothing.</DIV>
<DIV>> Edmund Burke</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> ***** Original material contained herein is</DIV>
<DIV>> Copyright 2005, Saundra Lund.</DIV>
<DIV>> Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside</DIV>
<DIV>> the Vision 2020 forum</DIV>
<DIV>> without the express written permission of the</DIV>
<DIV>> author.*****</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> -----Original Message-----</DIV>
<DIV>> From: <A href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>> [<A href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>]</DIV>
<DIV>> On Behalf Of Janesta Carcich</DIV>
<DIV>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:57 AM</DIV>
<DIV>> To: Tom Hansen; 'Art Deco'; 'Vision 2020'</DIV>
<DIV>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Saturday's paper</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> No. he needs to stay in the Hotel Latah. I would</DIV>
<DIV>> much rather pay for him to</DIV>
<DIV>> be there, health care included, than to be at home.</DIV>
<DIV>> He needs to be punished.</DIV>
<DIV>> Jail is punishment. Staying home, watching tv, etc.,</DIV>
<DIV>> is not punishment.</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> Janesta</DIV>
<DIV>> --- Tom Hansen <<A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</A>> wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> > Perhaps, if Kenay were to be released on bond, he</DIV>
<DIV>> should be placed</DIV>
<DIV>> > under house arrest and fitted with one of them</DIV>
<DIV>> nice shiny black</DIV>
<DIV>> > bracelets.</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Thoughts?</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Tom Hansen</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Moscow, Idaho</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with</DIV>
<DIV>> the intention of</DIV>
<DIV>> > arriving safely in an attractive and well</DIV>
<DIV>> preserved body, but rather</DIV>
<DIV>> > to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, a</DIV>
<DIV>> drink in the other, body</DIV>
<DIV>> > thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming</DIV>
<DIV>> 'WOO HOO. What a</DIV>
<DIV>> > ride!'"</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > _____</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > From: <A href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>> > [<A href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</A>]</DIV>
<DIV>> > On Behalf Of Art Deco</DIV>
<DIV>> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 8:15 AM</DIV>
<DIV>> > To: Vision 2020</DIV>
<DIV>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Saturday's paper</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Shelley,</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > As I understand it, his bail is now set for</DIV>
<DIV>> $20,000.</DIV>
<DIV>> > This means he could</DIV>
<DIV>> > purchase a bail bond for $2,000.</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Given the possible/probable consequences of and</DIV>
<DIV>> the possible</DIV>
<DIV>> > continuance of his alleged behavior if he were to</DIV>
<DIV>> be bailed, $2,000 is</DIV>
<DIV>> > a ridiculously small amount to guarantee his</DIV>
<DIV>> appearance to answer the</DIV>
<DIV>> > several charges against him and to keep him from</DIV>
<DIV>> fleeing. [Remember</DIV>
<DIV>> > Fredrick Russell.]</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Perhaps after the preliminary hearing on Tuesday,</DIV>
<DIV>> his bail amount will</DIV>
<DIV>> > be increased, if the prosecutor requests it and</DIV>
<DIV>> magistrate Hamlett</DIV>
<DIV>> > sees fit to agree.</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)</DIV>
<DIV>> > <A href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > ----- Original Message -----</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > From: Shelly <<A href="mailto:CJs@turbonet.com">mailto:CJs@turbonet.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > To: <A href="mailto:mdoyle@dnews.com">mdoyle@dnews.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Cc: <A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> ; <A href="mailto:smcclure@dnews.com">smcclure@dnews.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:07 AM</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Saturday's paper</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Megan - is Kenay's "bond" set for $20,000.00 or</DIV>
<DIV>> his "bail?"</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> > Shelley Roderick</DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
<DIV>> ></DIV>
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