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Ron et. al.<BR>
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I understand your perspective on appropriate Vision2020 list topics, though there are some very well informed and intelligent list members who do not agree that the theological or philosophical discussions are not important or related to local community concerns.<BR>
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What I primarily disagree with in your statement is that the unmoderated Vision2020 list has "succumbed" to "trolls, fanatics, obsessives and nuts." I also don't agree with oversimplified negative stereotyping of other human beings, though it is easy to "succumb" to the temptation to label some people in this manner.<BR>
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Consider this definition:<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">suc·cumb</B> <IMG SRC="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/JPG/pron.jpg" WIDTH="13" HEIGHT="21" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="2658"> ( P ) <B><A HREF="http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html">Pronunciation Key</A></B></B> (s<IMG SRC="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/schwa.gif" WIDTH="6" HEIGHT="15" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="57">-k<IMG SRC="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/ubreve.gif" WIDTH="7" HEIGHT="20" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="845">m<IMG SRC="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/AHD4/GIF/prime.gif" WIDTH="4" HEIGHT="22" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="55">)<BR>
<I>intr.v.</I> <B>suc·cumbed,</B> <B>suc·cumb·ing,</B> <B>suc·cumbs </B><BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">To submit to an overpowering force or yield to an overwhelming desire; give up or give in. See Synonyms at <A HREF="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=yield">yield</A>. <BR>
To die. <BR>
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Has Vision2020 submitted to an overpowering force derived from the people you reference with your derogatory stereotypes that has resulted in the list giving up or giving in? No. Has Vision2020 died? No. <BR>
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Can it accurately be claimed that some people who may match your stereotypes have harassed the list? Yes.<BR>
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Ted Moffett</FONT></HTML>