<div id="RTEContent"> <div class="MsoNormal">Hansin,<br> <br> The average salary in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">United States</st1:place></st1:country-region> is 20,000K a year or about $10 an hour for 2,000 hours of work a year. The average household, with an average of 2.5 residents, has an average combined income of about $45,000-$55,000.<br> <br> Engineers were not making $75,000 a year thirty years ago. The reason why labor wages have gone down is because the supply of labor has increased while demand for it has decreased. That is part of the reason the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> needs to get out of the labor market, it pays poorly except in the medical field.<br> <br> Food is cheaper now then it has been in the past as a % of our total income. Only 10% of the national GNP is spent on food. Most nations spend about 30%. This gives us 20% more of our inco!
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invest in other more profitable venues. If 20% of our income is spent on meeting our nations basic needs, we can spend the remaining 80% on investing in better jobs. Further, if I buy a shirt for $2 instead of $5, I save $3 and invest it in something else, like a computer program. That computer program creates a job for a computer programmer which is a better job than making a t-shirt in factory. The American way of doing business provides better jobs and a greater number of goods and services for a lower cost. The Hansin way of doing things prevents the creation of new jobs and economic growth.<br> <br> Again, the evidence that the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> system of doing things right is that it is the most powerful and wealthiest nation on the planet. We are by no means starving in this country. The proof is in the pudding.<br> <br> Your protection of goods, by buying by the label, rather than bu!
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best good for the needed use, is called "Protectionism", an idea that DOES NOT WORK, it hurts the nation in the long run. As a worker, I would want you to buy my product because it is the one you want, not because I am a <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> citizen, to do otherwise is nationalism and charity.<br> <br> -DJA</div> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br><br><b><i>Tom Hansen <idahotom@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Jeesh, Arnold!<br><br>Your analysis of what you perceive to be the global economy and how it <br>functions appears to be EXTREMELY ill informed. Instead of explaining basic <br>macro-economics to you, I will simply let it rest.<br><br>A large percentage of that "work" that often results in revenue/income has <br>been outsourced.<br><br>I know what you're thinking. You're thinking that
outsourcing hasn't hurt <br>our economy one bit, that it has enhanced it, that unemployment has not gone <br>up - it's gone down. Well, Arnold, in a way you are correct. Instead of a <br>family living off of one engineer's income at about $75K - $100K, that same <br>famly is surviving with two incomes for a combined income of $15/hour, at <br>least until their local McDonald's closes down.<br><br>And, please, feel free to mangle my name to your heart's content. If it <br>floats your boat, do it.<br><br>When I first joined the service in 1969, I was duly informed that my parents <br>had been sadly mistaken about my name for the 18 years previous. A cadre of <br>drill sergeants reminded me on a daily basis that my real name is/was <br>"S**thead" (among other colorful monikers). After training, I lost the <br>"S**thead" name and simply became "Hansen" to those of equal or senior rank. <br> Subordinates addressed me as "Sergeant Hansen".<br><br>So, if it flips your Bic to!
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"Hansin", please . . . by all means. <br>Tell you what, just for memory's sake, call me "S**thead" once in a while, <br>ok? That way I can take pride in that proverbial wall that separates us.<br><br>Take care, Ahnold.<br><br>S**thead Hansin<br><br><br>>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 @yahoo.com=""><br>>To: Tom Hansen <thansen @moscow.com="">, "'TIM RIGSBY'" <br>><tim.rigsby @hotmail.com="">, vision2020@moscow.com<br>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] BUY AMERICAN BUY WAL-MART<br>>Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:39:04 -0800 (PST)<br>><br>> We can always look forward to your comments being entertaining <br>>Hansin.<br>><br>><br>> "Yes. I am interested in improving foreign economies."<br>><br>> You are, but you are going to do the opposite actions that you know <br>>would create that outcome? Humm, interesting.<br>><br>><br>> "But, my first priorities are at home."<br>><br>> When we die, do you think !
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are divided up according to <br>>nationality Hansin? Do you think the belly of a fat kid longing for a <br>>third helping of ice cream is equal in need to the empty belly of a child <br>>in China or Bangladesh? Do you think the nationality, race, and/or place <br>>of birth of the fat belly should give it special privilege to third and <br>>fourth helpings before a starving child is given anything? It appears that <br>>is your position Hansin. I hope you can justify to your God your <br>>rationalizing of why the fat kid gets a fourth helping before the starving <br>>gets one helping because the fat kid was inside some imaginary borders.<br>><br>> Nor could have it possibly have occurred to you that if just half the <br>>world's population consumed as much resources as half the population of <br>>the people in the United States the Earth's ecological system would <br>>collapse inside of 100 years, Hansin.<br>><br>> "!
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product manufactured overseas and sold here in the Nifty Fifty <br>>(USA) amounts to lost revenue here."<br>><br>> Wrong! Guess again. Wealth is not "finite" Hansin. Wealth is generated <br>>through a process called "work". You obviously do not understand that both <br>>a buyer and a seller can benefit from a financial transaction. In fact, <br>>most the time it does and it favors the buyer. You are also clearly <br>>unaware of terms like, global economy, "global investment fund" and <br>>foreign investment. Billions of US dollars are in foreign investments. <br>>Foreign nations cannot improve without also simultaneously improving the <br>>US market, and the reverse is also true. If the world economy declines, so <br>>does the US.<br>><br>> "Every time we purchase a product manufactured here, it benefits that <br>>manufacturer and its employees, and keep that manufacturer in business <br>>that much
longer,"<br>><br>> You got it bass ackwards Hansin. We do not buy products to benefit the <br>>seller, we buy it to benefit the buyer, why else buy it? DUH! 100 workers <br>>work for 1000000 customers, not the other way around. I do not buy gas to <br>>help out Exxon and the Saudi families, I buy gas cuz I need it make my car <br>>move. I do not buy a jacket to help out employees at Columbia, I buy a <br>>jacket cuz I am cold. We are better off buying the product that we need <br>>and spending the savings on training the workers to school to learn a <br>>trade that is competitive in the world market. Using your logic, we should <br>>subsidize rotary phone manufactures to keep jobs instead investing in <br>>technology to make the microchips that go in future cell phones. <br>>Protectionism is bad form and policy and ONLY protects bad businesses and <br>>business practices, good ones do not need protection. Not to mention !
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<br>>makes other nations do the same to us. Two thirds of all business growth <br>>is in the foreign market. Tariffs blo!<br>> ck 2/3 of<br>> our growth to protect 1/3, that is a dumb idea, Herbert Hoover tried <br>>tariffs to soften the depression in 1930, it made it worse. Grover <br>>Cleveland tried it the 1890s and set off a recession. It was also tried in <br>>the1840s and set off a recession that helped defeat Martin Van Buren. We <br>>tried it Hansin, it did not work.<br>><br>> "which means food on the dinner tables of American families."<br>><br>> Well Hansin, I think from the looks of you, me and the rest of this <br>>overweight glutton nation, we could stand to skip a few meals. Dontcha <br>>think?<br>><br>> Take Care,<br>><br>> Donovan J Arnold<br><br><br></tim.rigsby></thansen></donovanjarnold2005></blockquote><br></div><p>
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