<html><div style='background-color:'><P>I don't think the particular officers said they were misquoted; I thought Ayers said they were wrong. There's a difference.<BR><BR>But Donovan, given your devotion to accuracy, does this mean you will admit you leapt to conclusions about my positions regarding the Taliban? <BR><BR>Sunil</P>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com></I><BR>To: <I>keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com>, vision2020@moscow.com</I><BR>Subject: <I>Re: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on Rape --</I><BR>Date: <I>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:21:37 -0700 (PDT)</I><BR>>Keely,<BR>><BR>>Now that we know the paper made an error, and that the<BR>>police are not a bunch of idiots after all, I hope you<BR>>will apologize like a good Christian that you claim to<BR>>be, to me and them for implying such with so much<BR>>nastiness as you did.--But I will not hold my breath<BR>>since you only seem to be a Christian when it suits<BR>>your own interests.<BR>><BR>>Take Care,<BR>>Donovan J Arnold<BR>><BR>>PS, Yes, I have taken several journalism classes and<BR>>even had an article published, I am
currently working<BR>>on a minor in communications with my Masters. You can<BR>>also make fun of my experiences as a Senator in the<BR>>ASUI and as Chief of Staff of the Graduate and<BR>>Professional Student Association. However, I learned a<BR>>great deal and I encourage any student to get involved<BR>>in their representative government on any level to<BR>>help people, be involved, learn, and contribute<BR>>something positive back to their community. I hope you<BR>>learn to be more respectful of those that serve in<BR>>uniform and others that serve their community.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>------------------------------------------Keely Mix<BR>>Wrote:<BR>><BR>>Ignoring that little voice in my head that says "don't<BR>>even start," I<BR>>nonetheless will say this, Donovan:<BR>><BR>>While I agree that
newspapers sometimes get it wrong<BR>>-- and yes, I've<BR>>been<BR>>misquoted, too -- I have a hard time imagining that<BR>>after reading a<BR>>story<BR>>like that, normal people would say, "By golly, I bet<BR>>that poor cop was<BR>>misquoted! Yes, that must be it -- it's the ONLY<BR>>LIKELY POSSIBILITY!"<BR>>It's<BR>>even harder for me to imagine the following exchange:<BR>><BR>>Reader to LMT: Hi, I just read an article that made<BR>>the cops quoted<BR>>sound<BR>>like real idiots. Now, tell me, Mr. Editor -- did<BR>>they really say<BR>>that, or<BR>>were you just kidding?<BR>><BR>>Editor: No, it's no joke at all. We're a newspaper,<BR>>not MAD magazine.<BR>><BR>>Reader: So, was the officer's speech so florid or so<BR>>convoluted
that<BR>>your<BR>>reporter was unable to grasp the simple information<BR>>stated therein?<BR>>Did you<BR>>guys screw up? Because I know you do that.<BR>><BR>>Editor: Damn. You caught us. Here are the<BR>>reporter's notes, and it's<BR>>clear that he really said 70 percent of cases brought<BR>>to trial didn't<BR>>result<BR>>in a conviction. Or something like that, I dunno.<BR>>Yep, we really blew<BR>>it<BR>>but were hoping no one found out. Thanks for making<BR>>us aware of it,<BR>>sir.<BR>><BR>>Reader (flush with triumph): See, Keely, Debi and<BR>>Andreas really ARE<BR>>stupid<BR>>after all!<BR>><BR>>Now, Donovan, it no doubt makes you feel better to<BR>>think that, but that<BR>>may<BR>>explain why your abundant experience and
unparalleled<BR>>service in UI<BR>>Student<BR>>Government didn't include a stint in print journalism.<BR>> And yet the<BR>>Fourth<BR>>Estate survives . . . somehow.<BR>><BR>>keely<BR>><BR>>--- keely emerinemix <kjajmix1@msn.com> wrote:<BR>><BR>> > Ignoring that little voice in my head that says<BR>> > "don't even start," I<BR>> > nonetheless will say this, Donovan:<BR>> ><BR>> > While I agree that newspapers sometimes get it wrong<BR>> > -- and yes, I've been<BR>> > misquoted, too -- I have a hard time imagining that<BR>> > after reading a story<BR>> > like that, normal people would say, "By golly, I bet<BR>> > that poor cop was<BR>> > misquoted! Yes, that must be it -- it's the ONLY<BR>> > LIKELY POSSIBILITY!" It's<BR>> > even harder for
me to imagine the following<BR>> > exchange:<BR>> ><BR>> > Reader to LMT: Hi, I just read an article that made<BR>> > the cops quoted sound<BR>> > like real idiots. Now, tell me, Mr. Editor -- did<BR>> > they really say that, or<BR>> > were you just kidding?<BR>> ><BR>> > Editor: No, it's no joke at all. We're a<BR>> > newspaper, not MAD magazine.<BR>> ><BR>> > Reader: So, was the officer's speech so florid or<BR>> > so convoluted that your<BR>> > reporter was unable to grasp the simple information<BR>> > stated therein? Did you<BR>> > guys screw up? Because I know you do that.<BR>> ><BR>> > Editor: Damn. You caught us. Here are the<BR>> > reporter's notes, and
it's<BR>> > clear that he really said 70 percent of cases<BR>> > brought to trial didn't result<BR>> > in a conviction. Or something like that, I dunno.<BR>> > Yep, we really blew it<BR>> > but were hoping no one found out. Thanks for making<BR>> > us aware of it, sir.<BR>> ><BR>> > Reader (flush with triumph): See, Keely, Debi and<BR>> > Andreas really ARE stupid<BR>> > after all!<BR>> ><BR>> > Now, Donovan, it no doubt makes you feel better to<BR>> > think that, but that may<BR>> > explain why your abundant experience and<BR>> > unparalleled service in UI Student<BR>> > Government didn't include a stint in print<BR>> > journalism. And yet the Fourth<BR>> > Estate survives . . . somehow.<BR>> ><BR>> > keely<BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> > From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><BR>> > To: lfalen <lfalen@turbonet.com>,<BR>> > debismith@moscow.com,<BR>> > vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on<BR>> > Rape --<BR>> > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:32:19 -0700 (PDT)<BR>> ><BR>> > Many of you seem to be jumping to conclusions here.<BR>> > How do we know for fact that any police office said<BR>> > that 70% of rapes reported are false? Because you<BR>> > read<BR>> > it in the paper? Give me a break!<BR>> ><BR>> > The Police were probably misquoted, or the words did<BR>> > not come out correctly, or the reporter misquoted or<BR>> > paraphrased incorrectly.<BR>> ><BR>> > 95% of the time that I read something outrageous<BR>> >
from<BR>> > a local authority quoted in the paper, it usually<BR>> > turns out that the people did not say what they<BR>> > paper<BR>> > said they said, or were taken completely out of<BR>> > context.<BR>> ><BR>> > Perhaps the police officer said, 70% of rapes do not<BR>> > lead in a conviction, so that meant "false", either<BR>> > to<BR>> > the officer, or the reporter.<BR>> ><BR>> > I hardly doubt that any trained, experienced police<BR>> > officer, that is required to attend a sexual<BR>> > harassment and abuse conference or class every year<BR>> > would say, or intend to imply that 7 out of 10 women<BR>> > that report rape are liars, even if they believed<BR>> > that<BR>> > to be the case.<BR>> ><BR>> > Just because something is reported in the media, or<BR>>
> printed in black and white, does not make it true,<BR>> > look at FOX news. Did any of you call and confirm<BR>> > this<BR>> > information as being accurate?<BR>> ><BR>> > Donovan J Arnold<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > --- lfalen <lfalen@turbonet.com> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > > While the 8% national average for false reports<BR>> > > maybe low, 70% is obviously a way too high. The<BR>> > > tragedy of articles like this is that there will<BR>> > be<BR>> > > more rapes going unreported.<BR>> > > -----Original message-----<BR>> > > From: debismith@moscow.com<BR>> > > Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:40:36 -0700<BR>> > > To: vision2020@moscow.com<BR>>
> > Subject: [Spam] RE: [Vision2020] LMT Article on<BR>> > Rape<BR>> > > --<BR>> > ><BR>> > > > Having just completed the YWCA Week Without<BR>> > > Violence and the Clothesline Project at<BR>> > > > WSU, I read the article and cried. The<BR>> > Clothesline<BR>> > > Project consists of over 600 t-shirts painted<BR>> > > > over 14 years. Each shirt is painted by a<BR>> > survivor<BR>> > > or supporter of someone who was assaulted,<BR>> > > > most speaking of sexual assault. We know many<BR>> > of<BR>> > > these women, we know they didn't report<BR>> > > > the assault, and we know why they choose to not<BR>> >
be<BR>> > > re-victimized by the type of troglodites<BR>> > > > exhibited by that newspaper story.<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > To suggest that 70% of reported rapes are false<BR>> > is<BR>> > > completely insane. Why would anyone<BR>> > > > report a sexual assault if the police already<BR>> > plan<BR>> > > to discount it? It must be true that going to<BR>> > > > Lewiston means you move 30 miles down the hill<BR>> > and<BR>> > > 30 years into the past...<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > These officers desperately need remedial<BR>> > training.<BR>> > > I would suggest they be required to come<BR>> > > >
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