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<P>Donovan,</P>
<P>Nowhere in that post did I defend the statement that Christ Church was the same as the Taliban. Before you pop off again point out where I did.</P>
<P>Nowhere did I take the position that the Taliban were innocent. Don't attribute positions to me that you have invented. I am quite familiar with the Taliban connections to Al Quaida, and can't say I've benefited from your Roveian analysis of their politics.<BR><BR>It's a little late for you to accuse others of ignorance when you are so willing to display it yourself.</P>
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<DIV></DIV>From: <I>Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com></I><BR>To: <I>Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com>, thansen@moscow.com, vision2020@moscow.com</I><BR>Subject: <I>RE: [Vision2020] RE: An unpleasant subject</I><BR>Date: <I>Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:01:28 -0700 (PDT)</I><BR>>Sunil,<BR>><BR>>I think you are really stretching reality to come up<BR>>with your conclusions.<BR>><BR>>First, if you want to defend the statement that Christ<BR>>Church is the same as the Taliban, you have already<BR>>left the reality which I dwell.<BR>><BR>>Second, defending the Taliban's role in 911 as no more<BR>>than they allowed some members to pitch a tent on<BR>>their property, shows your lack of research and<BR>>understanding of their role and connection in 9/11.<BR>><BR>>Osama Bin Laudin
was protected by the Taliban in<BR>>Afghanistan since 1996, where he worked with the<BR>>Taliban and members of the Taliban that he has known<BR>>since the 1970s, to plan 9/11. Osama Bin Laudin was a<BR>>member and solider for the Taliban and funded the<BR>>organization Al Quaida which flew the planes into the<BR>>towers.<BR>><BR>>If it were not for the Taliban, Osama Bin Laudin would<BR>>have been placed into US custody sometime between 1996<BR>>and 1999. The events of 911 would not have been<BR>>funded, planned or taken place without the help of the<BR>>Taliban. That makes them responsible.<BR>><BR>>And let us assume that we take you position that the<BR>>Taliban are all innocent despite their ties to UBL. So<BR>>what, they are still mass murders in their own right,<BR>>and are not equivocal to Christ Church.<BR>><BR>>But perhaps
you have a point. An intelligent person<BR>>probably would not waste time refuting that Christ<BR>>Church is as dangerous as the Taliban which lights<BR>>people on fire, beats their women, and harbors world<BR>>terrorists like Osama Bin Laudin.<BR>><BR>>Take Care,<BR>><BR>>Donovan J Arnold<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>--- Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com><BR>>wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>---------------------------------<BR>><BR>>Donovan,<BR>><BR>>I don't think even the Bush Administration claims as<BR>>you do that the Taliban were responsible for 9/11. In<BR>>their lucid moments, they blame Al Quaida, and the<BR>>rest of the time hold Saddam Hussein responsible. The<BR>>Taliban did allow the Al Quaida camps in Afghanistan;<BR>>our ally Pakistan was one of the few states to<BR>>recognize
their government.<BR>><BR>>While I understand you and Tom don't agree with each<BR>>other about much, I don't think you claim his<BR>>ignorance has reached new levels given that you're<BR>>blaming the wrong group for 9/11.<BR>><BR>>Sunil<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>---------------------------------<BR>><BR>>From: Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com><BR>>To: Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com>,<BR>>vision2020@moscow.com<BR>>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] RE: An unpleasant subject<BR>>Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 09:35:33 -0700 (PDT)<BR>> >Hansen,<BR>> ><BR>> >Comparing Christ Church to the Taliban, which killed<BR>> >over 3,000 US citizens abroad in cold blood and set<BR>> >fire to women on the home-front, IS inflammatory<BR>> >rhetoric and a serious injustice to
the victims that<BR>> >suffered on September 11th, 2001 or at any other time<BR>> >at the hands of the Taliban.<BR>> ><BR>> >Your inability to recognize the differences between<BR>>an<BR>> >organization that commits mass murder of innocent<BR>> >people and Christ Church illustrates your ignorance<BR>>on<BR>> >a new profound and unmatched level that I have never<BR>> >seen before. Such ignorance can only be challenged by<BR>> >your stance to defend such comments as anything but<BR>> >inflammatory rhetoric.<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >-DJA<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >--- Tom Hansen <thansen@moscow.com> wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> > > Arnold stated:<BR>> > ><BR>> > > "'Nick Gier presents an analogy between Christian<BR>> > > and
Islamic<BR>> > > Fundamentalism, a fascinating comparison of Christ<BR>> > > Church and the Taliban."<BR>> > > How about that for inflammatory?<BR>> > ><BR>> > > How about if we replace the word Christ Church<BR>>with<BR>> > > Catholics or Mormons?<BR>> > > Would that not inflame some people in those<BR>> > > religions? If you doubt it,<BR>> > > well, why not try it? Go down to your local<BR>>Mormon<BR>> > > church and say those<BR>> > > words Mr. Hansen. See how people react!"<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Arnold. Arnold. Arnold. If the Catholic Church<BR>> > > and/or Mormon Church had<BR>> > > conducted themselves in the same manner as the<BR>> > > "management" of Anselm House,<BR>> > > I would
replace "Christ Church" with "Catholic<BR>> > > Church" or "Mormon Church".<BR>> > ><BR>> > > These are not baseless accusations, but<BR>>evidentiary<BR>> > > substantiation provided<BR>> > > from various websites, documents, files, etc. etc.<BR>> > > accessible via links from<BR>> > > the "Not On The Palouse, Not Ever" website to<BR>> > > external sources.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > So, don't be blaming the messenger, ok Arnold?<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Concerning the "whistle blower" statement: If you<BR>> > > had taken the time to<BR>> > > follow the link, you would have read a verbatim<BR>> > > accounting of an article<BR>> > > written by Douglas Wilson for the Moscow-Pullman<BR>> > > Daily News on April 23,<BR>> > >
2004:<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse/Taming_the_Tongue.htm<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Concerning "Paul Kimmell's Concept of Leadership":<BR>> > > You really ought to<BR>> > > follow links once in a while, Arnold. The<BR>>documents<BR>> > > presented from this<BR>> > > link are printed pages from a Microsoft PowerPoint<BR>> > > presentation by Paul<BR>> > > Kimmell.<BR>> > ><BR>> > ><BR>> >http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse/Kimmell/Index.htm<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Enough said.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Tom Hansen<BR>> > > Not On The Palouse, Not Ever<BR>> > ><BR>> > > PS - I do want to thank you, Arnold. I almost<BR>> > > forgot that Kimmell's seat
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