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<DIV>Wayne,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You are throwing out concepts here that will be beyond comprehension
by the Moscow City Council . They took their pants down to get the
development on the south side of Joseph Street annexed and approved and ignored
citizens input about traffic etc. Linda made a big issue out of saying in a
council meeting that "there would only be 2 exits on Joseph Street:. That was a
whole great big load of bull shit! They are putting a traffic circle/roundabout
at the junction of Joseph and Shoshone St. and are allowing 2 more exits from
the development. They get on the council and become pawns of developers and
to hell with the residents. When I lived there I hated to have to go from
Shoshone St. to the west side of town because it was a pain in the
ass.
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>They didn't listen to the citizens concerns about additional traffic before
the annexation approval so now they need to put a bridge on 3rd street as
traffic from the majority of the houses east of Mountain View are now using
6th St. west where they stop at Blaine then go to Hayes, turn right, go to 3rd,
turn left then a straight shot (excluding pedestrian crosswalks) ;-)) to the
Westside businesses. Before we left Moscow they had 6th street all marked up
where they were going to "patch the heck out of it". I'm sure they still have a
rough piece of street. Why don't they fix it right? They allowing parking
on major arterials which are too narrow to allow parking. That is why I
quit using 6th street as sometimes it is difficult to pass with cars parked
on the side of the street. There are probably 20 homes that will be affected on
3rd street from a new bridge but the bridge will help probably 300 homes east of
Mt. View.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Your suggestion of streets mentioned being 4 lane is an excellent one.
Joseph street should have been 4 lane out past the new development but that
would have taken a few feet of land from the developer and the council bows very
deeply to developers. They made an extra lane by the school's property on Joseph
street and should have done the same further out. They can't even spell
P-L-A-N-N-I-N-G A-H-E-A-D. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Who came up with the phrase "funneling cars through the bridge on 3rd
street"? Funneling? Sounds like desperation.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dick Schmidt</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 15, 2005 12:57
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Quality of Life
or Why is a 3rd Street arterial abadidea</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Linda, et al,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I agree with your reasons and opinions in this matter
(below). It should be emphasized that safety problems are egregiously
large. Having a major arterial running along side of a sidewalkless,
unfenced park, running by Moscow High School, running within 1/4 block of Lena
Whitmore Elementary School, and through a neighborhood where many,
many young students walk to several schools and many residents walk to
several places strikes me as a very perilous, uncaring way to solve a
problem.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I do not live in Moscow so my opinions will have little or
no effect on the decision makers, the city council. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>However, we shop and do other business in Moscow.
While we have until now tried to spend most of our money locally even though
we pay a premium to do this, this matter and other P & Z matters is
causing us to re-evaluate our purchasing policies. Remarks made by
various city public officials/public figures forwarded to us indicate these
officials/figures believe that those outside of the city should not
express their opinions or have them considered, and these same
officials/figures feel that many of those inside the city have opinions that
are not worth hearing or considering. It is like the City of Moscow is
saying: "We don't care where you take your business, we are going to do
it our way!"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>In my professional opinion as a consulting systems engineer
of many years training and practice, that the root of the Third Street
proposal issue is the lack of intelligent, unfettered by special interests,
community based planning.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>It has been clear for many years that the city is expanding
eastward and northward. A lot of money was spent on upgrading Mountain
View. A little intelligence would have dictated that it should have be
four lane instead of two, that a mile or so of Joseph should be four-lane,
that the Troy Highway from east of the cemetery to Washington should be
four-lane, that eventually a stoplight needs to be placed at Mountain View and
the Troy Highway, that some safe egress/exit on Highway 95 for those living in
the expanding north part of the city needs to be provided beside the accident
prone intersection at Pintail Lane, and that perhaps North Polk needs to
be four-lane and paved to connect to Highway 95 at Foothill Road.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The NSA, alternative high school, etc. zoning fiasco is part
of the same problem. In my opinion the planning/zoning/building function
of the City of Moscow has been horrible, if not corrupt, for a long
time. There has been little or no enforcement despite obvious
violations. Developers are given red-carpet service and their violations
are either ignored or ways found to circumvent the enforcement of such.
Between seriously inept personnel, rampant 'good old boy/girlism', and gutless
elected/appointed officials afraid to rock the boat and/or incur the
displeasure of developers, Moscow is now facing several planning and zoning
problems for which there is but very difficult, unsatisfactory to most,
expensive solutions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>If I were a Moscow resident, I would be seriously lobbying
public officials to clean up this mess and quickly; if they were not willing
to do so, then I would spend time and energy to find replacements for
them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=4>From: "Linda Pall" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:lpall@moscow.com"><FONT size=4>lpall@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT
size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>To: "J Ford" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"><FONT
size=4>privatejf32@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:citizenament@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>citizenament@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 6:18 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Quality of Life or Why is a 3rd
Street arterial abad idea</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=4>> Dear Aaron, J. Ford and
Visionaries,<BR>> <BR>> What follows is probably more than you want to
read but covers most of the<BR>> points about this project. Others are
looking at interesting community based<BR>> alternatives that use the
intersection for pedestrians, bikes, wheel chairs<BR>> and kids, among
other things. I'll let them talk about that.<BR>> <BR>> This is a rough
summery of why this is a bad idea for the community as a<BR>> whole and
does not achieve the results it proposes for traffic efficiency.<BR>> Take
a look: this is not a NIMBY issue. This shouldn't happen to anybody's<BR>>
backyard.<BR>> <BR>> All the best and stay tuned to the meeting
schedule,<BR>> Linda Pall<BR>> Moscow City Council<BR>> <BR>>
What's wrong with a Third Street Bridge and a Third Street arterial?<BR>>
<BR>> I hope J. Ford and others who may have tuned into the PW/F meeting
Monday<BR>> afternoon saw and heard my statement that this plan is a
stunningly bad idea<BR>> and should go no further. Unfortunately, I was in
the minority. What was<BR>> salvaged was a comprehensive public City
Council workshop where the proposal<BR>> can be explained and discussed one
more time in public with ample time for<BR>> public involvement AND A
DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT TO CONITNUE<BR>> DISCUSSING THE
PROJECT.<BR>> <BR>> I do not believe it is valuable to pursue a project
if it is not in the<BR>> interest of the community at large. Citizens
should not have to mobilize for<BR>> meetings if the project is
fundamentally flawed and should be taken off the<BR>> table. Next Monday,
the Council will determine when this workshop will be. I<BR>> hope it can
occur sometime in mid to late October. I hope we can urge the<BR>>
whole Council to abandon this project and focus on improving the<BR>>
intersection at D and Mountainview and access from Sixth, White, and
State<BR>> Highway 8 to Mountainview.<BR>> <BR>> The proposal from
the Engineering Department at the request of Mayor<BR>> Comstock to the
Transportation Commission is to place a bridge across<BR>> Paradise Creek
and extend Third Street to meet a new Third Street east of<BR>>
Mountainview Road and carry this traffic, as an arterial from eastern
Moscow<BR>> through downtown to western Moscow, Pullman and beyond.<BR>>
<BR>> The exact design of the bridge and the exact design of the roadway
and<BR>> adjacent area is not clear. Some have said that only parking will
have to be<BR>> removed in only some areas. Others have said parking would
certainly have to<BR>> be removed and parts of the City's right of way used
for sidewalks where<BR>> they do not exist and additional public space for
vehicles and pedestrians,<BR>> primarily between Hayes and the creek on
Third Street. Presently, Third<BR>> Street is classified as a neighborhood
collector that functions to bring<BR>> traffic from or through a
neighborhood to arterials.<BR>> <BR>> Here are the major flaws as I see
them:<BR>> <BR>> LESS SAFE: The proposal wouold have arterial traffic
going by one of Moscow'<BR>> s few protected elementary schools, destroying
its walkability for children.<BR>> The addition of arterial traffic would
make getting to East City Park much<BR>> more difficult and for those whose
balls or frisbees go into the road, the<BR>> fetching process will be more
dangerous. Older and disabled residents will<BR>> find the street more
challenging for crossing and general use.<BR>> <BR>> LIKELY LOSS OF
TREES AND PLANTINGS: along Third from Washington to Hayes<BR>> some of the
most marvelous maples find their home on what is one of Moscow's<BR>>
premier tree-lined streets. At the SE corner of Third and Hayes, the<BR>>
Mason-Cornwall House, on the National register of Historic Places
derives<BR>> part of its charm and sense of place from the tall conifers on
the north<BR>> side, close to or in the right of way. All of these
resources are at risk<BR>> with arterial designation, through environmental
degradation or the<BR>> necessity now or in the relatively near future for
widening because of<BR>> traffic pressures.<BR>> <BR>> LOSS OF
PARKING: East of Hayes, the Third and Hayes apartment building, the<BR>>
Elysian Apartments and some residences depend upon on-street parking
for<BR>> their residences and certainly for their guests. Any proposal that
involves<BR>> parking removal will negatively affect these residents.
Parking actually<BR>> operates as a traffic calming device, making drivers
slow down. Ironically,<BR>> its removal would make the street even faster
and less safe. If it is not<BR>> removed, the value of efficient through
traffic movement, as an arterial<BR>> ought to have, is greatly
reduced.<BR>> <BR>> NOT BEST PRACTICES IN STREET DESIGN: The proposal
does not take advantage of<BR>> context sensitive street design, which
would have generated streets that<BR>> meet neighborhood needs as well as
community wide needs with the interests<BR>> of more than cars and trucks
in mind.<BR>> <BR>> ARTERIALS SHOULD NOT BE PLACED TWO BLOCKS FROM ONE
ANOTHER: It makes no<BR>> sense and less engineering design sense to place
an arterial through an<BR>> established neighborhood, two blocks away from
one and four blocks from<BR>> another (6th and D Streets).<BR>> <BR>>
OPERATION PERFORMANCE IS NOT GAINED FROM THE BRIDGE: If the idea is to
make<BR>> better, faster, easier circulation east west in Moscow, the
bridge fails<BR>> this goals also. The average time difference going from a
stop at Third and<BR>> Hayes AROUND along Hayes to Sixth, left on Sixth,
and left on Mountainview<BR>> to the Third and Mountainview is 55 seconds
longer than going directly to<BR>> the barrier from Hayes along Third,
gaining 55 seconds while creating havoc<BR>> for the Lena Whitmore
neighborhood.<BR>> <BR>> LITTLE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION: While the
transportation Commission had this<BR>> on their agenda several times from
March through June, it was not widely<BR>> advertised and even some City
Council members did not know about the<BR>> proposal until it was a
recommendation from the Commission. This is not<BR>> acceptable for a
project with such impact.<BR>> <BR>> NO TRUE COST CALCULATION OF THIS
PROJECT: The project itself fails to look<BR>> at the true costs of loss of
neighborhood amenities, cost of amelioration of<BR>> side effects to other
agencies and individuals (more crossing guards for<BR>> Lena Whitmore,
driving children to school to avoid unsafe pedestrian routes,<BR>> etc.),
and dilution of home and property values as prized residential<BR>>
property in and around the East City Park area.<BR>> <BR>> Third Street
has been an image of the town we value. It can continue to be a<BR>> great
street for the people of Moscow. All of Moscow is concerned about good<BR>>
traffic design. All of Moscow would like to see our growth add to, not
take<BR>> away from our quality of life. A bridge across Third Street and
its<BR>> accompanying arterial status is a stunningly bad idea if these
values are<BR>> important to us.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "J Ford"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:privatejf32@hotmail.com"><FONT
size=4>privatejf32@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>> To:
<</FONT><A href="mailto:citizenament@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>citizenament@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>>; <</FONT><A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>> Sent:
Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:34 PM<BR>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Quality
of Life<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>> I watched channel 13's broadcast of the
Public Works meeting in horror<BR>> last<BR>>> night as one member of
the public after another came up and pleaded with<BR>> the<BR>>> City
Council people and the City Staff NOT to put the bridge in or
develop<BR>>> Third anymore than it is now - my sence of horror came
from the plastic<BR>>> smile that was painted on Nancy's face and the
total lack of empathy and<BR>>> understanding these Coucil folks like
John Kimberling have and the<BR>> apparent<BR>>> disinfranchisement
that seems to be there but also growing from the<BR>> majority<BR>>>
of the Council.<BR>>><BR>>> It was bad enough that the City
Council (full) was "happy with this plan"<BR>> or<BR>>> "could live
with this development" or "can go along with this new<BR>>>
neighborhood" when the Council heard the Joseph Street plans even when
one<BR>>> homeowner after another spoke up as to what is happening NOW
to their<BR>>> property and what WILL happen if that development goes
through. But now<BR>>> this!<BR>>><BR>>> What is it
going to take to get the City Council to understand they are<BR>>>
supposed to be representing the CITIZENS of Moscow, not the City
Council's<BR>>> interests or the mayor's or the developers alone?
How many more<BR>> concessions<BR>>> are we as tax paying, voters
going to have to make all for the "sake of<BR>>> development and
growth"? There are three main streets that lead from the<BR>>>
west side of town to the east - and they are travelled far too fast by
the<BR>>> young fools who just have to show off how big a truck, loud a
music<BR>> system,<BR>>> fast an engine they have. I am
getting tired of trying to cross a street<BR>>> and having to run
because some fool won't take the time to let the<BR>>> pedistrians to
get all the way across. I am sick of the loud obnoxious<BR>>>
vulger music they insist we all HAVE to be in on and I don't feel like
the<BR>>> displacement of many long-time residents and/or their trees
should be an<BR>>> expected "give-me" that we have to fork over to the
university/college<BR>> kids<BR>>> in this
town.<BR>>><BR>>> If you need to be somewhere by a specific time -
leave on time or with<BR>> time<BR>>> to spear to make sure you get
there when you need to.<BR>>><BR>>> There is NOTHING that has to
happen in 10 minutes that will be worse for<BR>> you<BR>>> if you
take the extra 1-2 mintues by "gerbiling" via another route.
If<BR>>> anything, the bridge will only complicate the traffic mess we
live with<BR>> now<BR>>> by - as one person put it - funnelling the
cars/trucks through Third<BR>> Street.<BR>>><BR>>> And lets not
forget the impact the bridge will have on Paradse Creek -<BR>>
just<BR>>> how much "development" do you think that creek can take
before it totally<BR>>> stops functioning? I realize there are a
lot of people who could care<BR>> less<BR>>> about a small creek, but
really - those of us who do, will not let it go<BR>> so<BR>>>
easily. It, our way of life, the residents immediately impacted by
this<BR>>> "development" will make it a long, hard fight to keep that
area as is.<BR>>><BR>>> J
;)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> >From:
"aaron ament" <</FONT><A href="mailto:citizenament@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>citizenament@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>> >To:
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>><BR>>>
>Subject: [Vision2020] Quality of Life<BR>>> >Date: Tue, 13 Sep
2005 09:11:42 -0700<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>>
><BR>>> ><BR>>> >Quality of Life<BR>>>
><BR>>> > The intention of the City of Moscow to connect Third
Street to Mountain<BR>>> >View, and thereby funnel traffic through a
quiet neighborhood and on<BR>>> >through the already congested center
of our downtown should be a concern<BR>> to<BR>>> >us all.
It is a "Quality of Life" issue.<BR>>> > Only a small portion of our
populace will be affected on a daily basis<BR>> by<BR>>> >the
presence of the bridge. Supporters of this bridge maintain that
a<BR>>> >great number of residents of Moscow will benefit from the
seeming ease in<BR>>> >travel the bridge promises.<BR>>> >
If we allow ourselves to look past the obvious "Quality of Life"
issue<BR>>> >that confronts a few residents of our city then we fail
to protect the<BR>>> >"Quality of Life" for all who live in
Moscow. If we allow the "Quality<BR>> of<BR>>> >Life" that
brought and keeps us here to be taken from us one small piece<BR>>
at<BR>>> >a time we will find someday that we have had
our<BR>>> >"Quality of Life" taken from us all.<BR>>>
><BR>>> >Aaron Ament<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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