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<DIV><FONT size=4>Chasuk, et al,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Thank you for posting this. I had planned to, but
later.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>The legal side of the question has been much debated.
The Christian side less so.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>It always amazes that Christian religious fanatics,
flimflamers, and others who believe in bible inerrancy or just that the
bible is allegedly the word of some alleged god, ignore completely the passage
you cited (and others). Many Christians of my acquaintance and friendship
believe and take very seriously the admonition of their Jesus against public
prayer and hence are opposed to public prayer.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Here is the same passage from Young's Literal Translation of
the Bible in context:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
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align=left><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><B>Matthew
6</B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><B></B></SPAN></P>
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align=left><A href="qvb://0/anchor/1" name=1 CHECKED="FALSE"><IMG height=0
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style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 16pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><B></B></SPAN><SPAN
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<P
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 4px; TEXT-INDENT: 24px; TEXT-ALIGN: left; tabstops: 19px"
align=left><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP>1</SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP></SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default">‘Take heed your
kindness not to do before men, to be seen by them, and if not—reward ye have not
from your Father who </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><I>is</I></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"> in the
heavens; </SPAN><A href="qvb://0/anchor/2" name=2 CHECKED="FALSE"><IMG
height=0 src="res://C:\PROGRA~1\QUICKV~1\qv2005.exe/empty.gif" width=0
border=0></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP>2</SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP></SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default">whenever,
therefore, thou mayest do kindness, thou mayest not sound a trumpet before thee
as the hypocrites do, in the synagogues, and in the streets, that they may have
glory from men; verily I say to you—they have their reward!</SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 4px; TEXT-INDENT: 24px; TEXT-ALIGN: left; tabstops: 19px"
align=left><A href="qvb://0/anchor/3" name=3 CHECKED="FALSE"><IMG height=0
src="res://C:\PROGRA~1\QUICKV~1\qv2005.exe/empty.gif" width=0 border=0></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP>3</SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP></SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default">‘But thou, doing
kindness, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doth, </SPAN><A
href="qvb://0/anchor/4" name=4 CHECKED="FALSE"><IMG height=0
src="res://C:\PROGRA~1\QUICKV~1\qv2005.exe/empty.gif" width=0 border=0></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP>4</SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP></SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default">that thy kindness
may be in secret, and thy Father who is seeing in secret Himself shall reward
thee manifestly.</SPAN></P>
<P
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 4px; TEXT-INDENT: 24px; TEXT-ALIGN: left; tabstops: 19px"
align=left><A href="qvb://0/anchor/5" name=5 CHECKED="FALSE"><FONT size=5><IMG
height=0 src="res://C:\PROGRA~1\QUICKV~1\qv2005.exe/empty.gif" width=0
border=0></FONT></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><FONT
size=5><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP>5</SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP></SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><FONT
color=#0000ff>‘<STRONG>And when thou mayest pray, <FONT color=#ff0000
size=6>thou shalt not be as the</FONT> <FONT color=#ff0000
size=6>hypocrites</FONT>, because they love in the synagogues, and in the
corners of the broad places—standing—to pray, that they may be seen of men;
verily I say to you, that they have their
reward.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 4px; TEXT-INDENT: 24px; TEXT-ALIGN: left; tabstops: 19px"
align=left><A href="qvb://0/anchor/6" name=6 CHECKED="FALSE"><FONT
size=5><STRONG><IMG height=0
src="res://C:\PROGRA~1\QUICKV~1\qv2005.exe/empty.gif" width=0
border=0></STRONG></FONT></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><FONT
size=5><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP>6</SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP></SUP></SPAN><FONT
color=#0000ff><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default">‘But thou, <FONT
color=#0000ff>when thou mayest pray, <FONT size=6>go into thy chamber, and
having shut thy door, pray</FONT></FONT> to thy Father who </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><I>is</I></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"> in secret, and
thy Father who is seeing in secret, shall reward thee
manifestly.</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></FONT></P>
<P
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 4px; TEXT-INDENT: 24px; TEXT-ALIGN: left; tabstops: 19px"
align=left><A href="qvb://0/anchor/7" name=7 CHECKED="FALSE"><IMG height=0
src="res://C:\PROGRA~1\QUICKV~1\qv2005.exe/empty.gif" width=0 border=0></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP>7</SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP></SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default">‘And—praying—ye
may not use vain repetitions like the nations, for they think that in their much
speaking they shall be heard, </SPAN><A href="qvb://0/anchor/8" name=8
CHECKED="FALSE"><IMG height=0
src="res://C:\PROGRA~1\QUICKV~1\qv2005.exe/empty.gif" width=0 border=0></A><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP>8</SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Default"><SUP></SUP></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Default">be ye not
therefore like to them, for your Father doth know those things that ye have need
of before your asking him;</SPAN></P></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Seems pretty clear to me. I personally heed the advice a
former Christian minister once gave me:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>"When someone starts taking in public about the "Kingdom of
God", quickly use one hand to protect your purse or wallet, the other to protect
your (and your children's) genitals."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>In light of many recent news articles about the practices
(or malpractices) of certain Christian denominations and also observations
of the behavior of certain so-called religious groups locally, such
advice should be widely applicable.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=4>From: "Chasuk" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:chasuk@gmail.com"><FONT size=4>chasuk@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT
size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>To: "Donovan Arnold" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com"><FONT
size=4>donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Cc: <</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>>; "Sunil Ramalingam"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"><FONT
size=4>sunilramalingam@hotmail.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:52 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Public prayer on public
money</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=4>> First, a preface: I am not
a Christian. I might truthfully be<BR>> considered a recovering
ex-Christian. When I was a Christian, I<BR>> prayed frequently, and I
found it beneficial. However, I always<BR>> minded Jesus's own words
regarding prayer:<BR>> <BR>> "And when you pray, you must not be like the
hypocrites; for they love<BR>> to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the
street corners, that<BR>> they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they
have received their<BR>> reward. But when you pray, go into your room and
shut the door and<BR>> pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father
who sees in<BR>> secret will reward you." (Matthew 6:5-6 RSV)<BR>>
<BR>> I haven't had time to read every message in this thread, so I<BR>>
apologize if this quote is yet another reiteration. Still, I would<BR>>
hope that the founder of Christianity's word are relevant -- and we<BR>> are
talking about Christian prayer, realistically -- so what else<BR>> needs to
be said?<BR>> <BR>>
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