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<P><STRONG>O.K. Time out guys. Instead of "debating" let's look at the facts.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Christ Church is going to have a function. . . a gathering of individuals. That is a fact.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>In order to serve any alcoholic beverage at a location that is not licensed to serve alcohol, the group throwing the shindig must find a business with a wine license. For a fee of $20.00 per day (not to exceed three consecutive days) the licensed business can apply for a catering permit. Here in Moscow you just go over to City Hall. This is a fact.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>City Hall will call the licensed business to go pick up the catering permit as soon as it is approved. This usually takes a couple days. This is a fact.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Now, the business that holds the wine license can provide and SERVE the alcoholic beverage at the function only during the time specified. Now do you think a business that pays hard earned money to the State of Idaho, Latah County and the City of Moscow year after year is going to put their livelihood in jeopardy for one little catering event? I don't think so.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>In case you think I don't know what's up, ten days ago I catered beer to a wedding reception at the 1912 building. That is a fact.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>This has NOTHING to do with ANY religious beliefs. . . .it is spelled out by law. I have looked and cannot find any "Religious Exemption" spelled out by Idaho Law. That is a fact.</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Now, if I was catering such an event under MY beer & wine license only me or one of my employees would be SERVING the wine and then ONLY to persons of legal age (21). All the kids would get water and I would tell them to pretend that Jesus hadn't blessed it yet! AND THAT IS A FACT!!</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG>Ellen A. Roskovich</STRONG></P>
<P><STRONG></STRONG><BR><BR> </P><BR><BR><BR>>From: Tbertruss@aol.com<BR>>To: pcnisbet1@hotmail.com, vision2020@moscow.com<BR>>Subject: [Vision2020] Religious Exemption: Alcohol, etc.<BR>>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:59:44 EDT<BR>><BR>>Phil et. al.<BR>><BR>>The following explanation of the issues regarding this debate on Christ<BR>>Church, or any religion, using wine supplied to minors in a religious ceremony on<BR>>government tax payer supported property or buildings, should ease your<BR>>concerns, Phil, unless you want to break down the separation of church and state.<BR>><BR>>First, I must correct one of your implications regarding the facts I stated<BR>>regarding alcohol abuse and youth.<BR>><BR>>It is not "supposedly a crime" to give alcohol to minors. It is in fact a<BR>>crime. I did not write or enact these
laws. To point out that supplying<BR>>alcohol to minors is against the law is not "preaching," it is stating a fact. And<BR>>all the data I provided on the abuse of alcohol by minors and youth, and the<BR>>marketing of alcohol to youth, is not "preaching," again, it is stating facts.<BR>><BR>>Now, on to some essential facts and principles involved in religious use of<BR>>drugs:<BR>><BR>>http://www.lectlaw.com/files/drg25.htm<BR>><BR>>It is well known that in fact religious ceremonial use of certain quite<BR>>otherwise illegal drugs is allowed with a religious exemption, as you can read at<BR>>the web link above. I am sure that your use of alcohol in the Jewish religion<BR>>for ceremonial use by minors can be or already is protected by the guarantee<BR>>of religious freedom that our big bad evil government and the
US Constitution<BR>>provides.<BR>><BR>>However, consider that the legal guidelines for the religious use of public<BR>>taxpayer (i. e. government, as in the Idaho State government or the US Federal<BR>>government) supported property or institutions, given the principle of the<BR>>separation of church and state, which is wisely insisted upon by the US<BR>>Constitution to protect everyone's religious freedoms, suggests it is unwise and/or<BR>>illegal to allow breaking the laws regarding supplying alcohol to minors with a<BR>>religious exemption in a religious ceremony on or in public taxpayer supported<BR>>buildings or institutions.<BR>><BR>>I know that there are serious efforts underway to break down the separation<BR>>of church and state as a strict legal principle, but I think this principle<BR>>should be enforced rather strictly to avoid the
slippery slope of endorsement of<BR>>specific religions by the government.<BR>><BR>>Why do you appear to insist that the government support your religious<BR>>beliefs and rituals? This is odd reasoning coming from a "libertarian."<BR>><BR>>Christ Church can hold their religious ceremonies, and offer wine in<BR>>communion, on private property, to follow the US Constitutional guarantees of<BR>>separation of church and state. I doubt the police will raid their ceremony to arrest<BR>>the adults who are supplying alcohol to minors. And if the police did, then<BR>>the ceremonial use of wine for minors could be fought in the courts on the<BR>>grounds of religious freedom.<BR>><BR>>Phil wrote:<BR>><BR>>"Using the example of the communion wine<BR>>and the insistence that any wine used in a religious ceremony given
to<BR>>minors is supposedly a crime as preached by Ted and several others here on<BR>>this particular listserv, Jews would indeed be barred from holding a Pesach<BR>>Seder on University or City Property. Similarly, Catholics who offer wine<BR>>with their communions would also be barred from such religious practice<BR>>involving those properties. Only temperance minded religions need apply so<BR>>order up the grade juice."<BR>><BR>>-------------------------------<BR>><BR>>Vision2020 Post by Ted Moffett<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>_____________________________________________________<BR>> List services made available by First Step Internet,<BR>> serving the communities of the Palouse since
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