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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am stuck in the position of agreeing with Art
Deco!! Truth is much stranger than fiction any day! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am so frustrated with all this hiring of outside
experts and than not using the info they bring us. If we are spending all the
money on reports we certainly will not have the funds to do anything good that
we want to do. We can do this stuff ourselves and stop wasting money on outside
reports by outside 'experts'.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>PK</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=deco@moscow.com href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=jlmack1@verizon.net
href="mailto:jlmack1@verizon.net">JoAnn Mack</A> ; <A title=nchaney@moscow.com
href="mailto:nchaney@moscow.com">Nancy Chaney</A> ; <A
title=peg_hamlett@sbcglobal.net href="mailto:peg_hamlett@sbcglobal.net">Peg
Hamlett</A> ; <A title=lpall@moscow.com href="mailto:lpall@moscow.com">Linda
Pall</A> ; <A title=comstock@moscow.com
href="mailto:comstock@moscow.com">Marshall Comstock</A> ; <A
title=johndickinson@moscow.com href="mailto:johndickinson@moscow.com">John
Dickinson</A> ; <A title=jon@n-k-ins.com href="mailto:jon@n-k-ins.com">Jon
Kimberling</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:49
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] RE: The Key to
Helping Downtown Moscow Thrive</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Barbara,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Thank you for the information about previous work on a
downtown Moscow plan. It was most informative. Perhaps you can
post a précis of the major elements and goals of that plan.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Perhaps also you and/or some<FONT color=#0000ff>
open-minded city council members</FONT> (not an oxymoron, I hope)
can answer the following questions:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><STRONG>After spending <FONT color=#ff0000
size=6>$50,000</FONT> and <FONT color=#ff0000 size=6>lots of effort</FONT> on
the part of citizens, businesses, political figures, and governmental
staff:</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Why has action been delayed for more than
three years after the downtown plan was completed on the city
comprehensive plan?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Has not some of the information gathered and
recommendations made in this plan more than 3 years ago become
stale?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>Since the issue of allowing educational
institutions and other possibly counter-productive uses in the
downtown core is one with great consequences for the future of Moscow,
shouldn't the current city zoning ordinances be updated only after the comp
plan is updated and clear goals are set for the downtown core and its
relationship to the rest of the city?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I am sure there are a large number of citizens (residents,
patrons, users, visitors, etc) that want to know why the normal city planning
processes are not being followed and what effort, if any, is being made to get
them back on track instead of doing planning/zoning business in a crisis
driven, piecemeal fashion.</FONT></DIV><FONT size=4>
<DIV><BR><BR>Wayne A. Fox<BR>1009 Karen Lane<BR>PO Box 9421<BR>Moscow,
ID 83843</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>(208) 882-7975<BR><A
href="mailto:waf@moscow.com">waf@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=edc@moscow.com href="mailto:edc@moscow.com">Barbara Richardson
Crouch</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=deco@moscow.com
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">Art Deco</A> ; <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">Vision 2020</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=lpall@moscow.com
href="mailto:lpall@moscow.com">Linda Pall</A> ; <A title=nchaney@moscow.com
href="mailto:nchaney@moscow.com">Nancy Chaney</A> ; <A
title=johnd@moscow.com href="mailto:johnd@moscow.com">John Dickinson</A> ;
<A title=peg_hamlett@sbcglobal.net
href="mailto:peg_hamlett@sbcglobal.net">Peg Hamlett</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 10, 2005 2:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vision2020] RE: The Key
to Helping Downtown Moscow Thrive</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848335220-10072005><FONT
color=#0000ff>Everyone,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848335220-10072005><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848335220-10072005><FONT color=#0000ff>If you do not
remember, Moscow and the University did complete a Downtown Plan. The
Committee was the CRC and was a part of the LEDC. We solicited for
consultants, hired a group and actually received and the City Council
accepted a short term plan from them - they felt the long-range plan was too
grandiose. This plan was the basis of the Downtown Grant and the
activities happening in Friendship Square. The plan cost a minimum of
$50,000 and the LEDC/Chamber used the plan to receive a grant from Verizon
to hire an interim Downtown Coordinator until a BID could be done. The
implementation of the Plan was left to the Chamber. The LEDC's
participation ended after we supervised the interim Coordinator. In
fact, First Step was kind enough to give the Downtown Association a website
and free hosting. </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=848335220-10072005><FONT
color=#0000ff>This all happened in the last three years (3).
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=848335220-10072005><FONT color=#0000ff>There is
also a section that talks about zoning changes in the Downtown. If you
would like this section (it is about 40 pages) just e-mail me and I will
send it to you.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848335220-10072005><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848335220-10072005><FONT color=#0000ff>There was lots of
public input sought, including a tenant at the Ren Fair and a table at the
Latah County fair. The General Public Input was solicited in 2001 and
2002. Downtown Property owners and Business people met for almost a
year before public input.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848335220-10072005><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848335220-10072005><FONT color=#0000ff>Moscow plans to
start the public process for the Comprehensive Plan re-write this fall as
part of the New Cities Initative. I would like to see the community
focus on writing a good solid, 20-30 year Comprehensive
Plan.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848335220-10072005><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848335220-10072005><FONT color=#0000ff>Barbara
Crouch</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848335220-10072005><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848335220-10072005><FONT
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com]<B>On
Behalf Of </B>Art Deco<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 08, 2005 9:48
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Vision 2020<BR><B>Cc:</B> Nancy Chaney; John Dickinson; Peg
Hamlett; JoAnn Mack; Linda Pall<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] RE:The
Key to Helping Downtown Moscow Thrive<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Debbie, et al,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>I think the Moscow City Council is off track in dealing
with current downtown zoning and allied issues. Changing or not
changing the zoning ordinance at this time without a discussion of larger
issues will only make a bigger, more divisive mess.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>First, through a series of methods soliciting public and
business input, a vision for what the downtown area should be like in the
future and how it relates to the city as a whole needs to be discussed and
decided upon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>That vision and various ways of achieving it then needs to
become part of the Moscow Comprehensive Plan.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The part of plan that can be implemented through changes
in the zoning ordinance should then codified in the ordinance. Other
Comp Plan elements not specific to the zoning ordinance, e.g. promoting
downtown development and use, creating interest and encouraging capital
investment, should be rigorously micro-planned and executed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>It does not take much Googling for the
non-professional to learn how hard it is. for example, to maintain and
enhance the downtown core as a viable business district for cities the size
of Moscow. There are a few success stories and many,
many failures. The success stories result from careful, public
involved planning and a "let's do what's best for the community" attitude on
behalf of the majority of citizens.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Whither Moscow? Its time for a vision, not just an
accommodating handjob on the current zoning ordinance.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><FONT size=4>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR></FONT><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>deco@moscow.com</FONT></A><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=4>From: "Debbie Gray" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:dgray@uidaho.edu"><FONT size=4>dgray@uidaho.edu</FONT></A><FONT
size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>>; "Vision 2020"
<</FONT><A href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>vision2020@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 11:16 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>Subject: RE: [Vision2020] RE:The Key to Helping Downtown
Moscow Thrive</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=4>>I think a thorough
economic impact analysis might be quite enlightening.<BR>> It is NOT
impossible to prove whether or not NSA has had an economic<BR>> effect on
the downtown. Your in-depth case study of you preferring to<BR>> drive 8
miles to pullman instead of walking an extra block to downtown is<BR>>
quite interesting but proves nothing. And I am truly curous how you
know<BR>> that all the cars hogging the downtown parking are NSA
students? Do these<BR>> cars also wear uniforms?<BR>> <BR>> And how
can you demand evidence from Donovan("Arnold, what evidence have<BR>> you
got that you can share to substantiate this claim? What
quantifiable<BR>> measure can you show us to reflect increased revenue in
the central<BR>> business district as a direct result of NSA's presence?)
and then state<BR>> that "I could easily substantiate that revenue has
been lost as a result<BR>> simply by the lack of available parking during
the week" and then give<BR>> your only substantiating evidence as 'I, tom
hansen, have, in the past,<BR>> driven to pullman to purchase something
instead of purchasing something<BR>> downtown since parking spots were
occupied by NSA students' (to summarize)<BR>> <BR>> I am curious (and
have no idea) how long the buildings that NSA occupy<BR>> stood vacant?
Where are the businesses lining up to get into downtown<BR>> spaces?
Aren't there at least 2 vacant building there now? (where the<BR>> bridal
shop was and that funky semi-antique store next to wild women<BR>>
traders) What about all the other vacant buildings around
town?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Debbie<BR>> <BR>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2005
</FONT><A href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><FONT
size=4>thansen@moscow.com</FONT></A><FONT size=4> wrote:<BR>>
<BR>>> It is nearly impossible to prove a negative, Ms.
Gray.<BR>>><BR>>> However, I have found myself driving the extra
few miles (to Pullman) on<BR>>> occasion due to a general lack of
parking in the downtown Moscow area,<BR>>> parking taken up by NSA
students.<BR>>><BR>>> The question then
becomes:<BR>>><BR>>> How many others have made the same decision
(resulting in lost revenue)?<BR>>><BR>>>
Tom<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> > OK I'll bite. Let's see
quanitifiable evidence that revenue has<BR>>> > been lost. And who
has lost the revenue? Or has revenue<BR>>> > increased? And who has
benefited from an increase? And how is<BR>>> > that being measured
specifically?<BR>>> ><BR>>> > On 7 Jul 2005 at 12:18, Tom
Hansen wrote:<BR>>> > > I could easily substantiate that revenue
has been lost as a<BR>>> > > result simply by the lack of
available parking during the<BR>>> > week.<BR>>>
><BR>>> ><BR>>> >
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