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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ms Molly took to writing about Bush while he was
still the gov of Texas. She writes misinformation and twisted fact. I actually
shouldn't say that she hates Bush I should say that she is making good money
selling a product that some will buy without really checking the facts. Kinda
like Michael Moore. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My belief is this about the far right or left.
There are those who are so far either way that they don't make sense at all.
There are those who can seek reason and understanding and are worthy of actually
reading. I think some of you would think of Rush on the far end and I bet you
haven't read his books or articles either. For me Ms Molly is that person on the
other end. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just seeking the truth.</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=dtoogood@email.com href="mailto:dtoogood@email.com">donald
toogood</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 30, 2005 12:58
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Bush Found
Excuse to Invade Iraq</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hell, I'd rather they fight those guys over in Iraq than over
here. She can badmouth the President all she wants but I bet that molly
ivins would be the first one crying for the army to save her fat
rear when a bomb blows up wherever she's at. She probably just got mad
because she voted for that idiot Kerry and he lost so bad anyhow.<BR><BR>
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Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Tom Hansen" <THANSEN@MOSCOW.COM><BR>To:
vision2020@moscow.com <BR>Subject: [Vision2020] Bush Found Excuse to Invade
Iraq <BR>Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 07:01:00 -0700 <BR><BR>> <BR>> >
From today's (June 29, 2005) Spokesman Review Opinion Section - <BR>>
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<BR>> <BR>> Bush found excuse to invade Iraq <BR>> <BR>> Molly
Ivins <BR>> Creators Syndicate <BR>> <BR>> June 29, 2005 <BR>>
<BR>> AUSTIN, Texas - The first thing I ever learned about politics was
never to <BR>> let anyone else define what you believe, or what you are
for or against. I <BR>> think for myself. <BR>> <BR>> I am not "you
liberals" or "you people on the left who always. ..." My name <BR>> is
Molly Ivins, and I can speak for myself, thank you. I don't need Rush
<BR>> Limbaugh or Karl Rove to tell me what I believe. <BR>> <BR>>
Setting up a straw man, calling it liberal and then knocking it down has
<BR>> become a favorite form of "argument" for those on the right. Make
some <BR>> ridiculous claim about what "liberals" think, and then
demonstrate how silly <BR>> it is. Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and many other
right-wing ravers never seem <BR>> to get tired of this old game. If I
had a nickel for every idiotic thing <BR>> I've ever heard those on the
right claim "liberals" believe, I'd be richer <BR>> than Bill Gates.
<BR>> <BR>> The latest and most idiotic statement yet comes from Karl
Rove, who is not, <BR>> actually, an objective observer. He is George
Bush's hatchet man. Last week, <BR>> Rove, in an address to the
Conservative Party of New York, made the <BR>> following claim:
"Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 in the attacks and <BR>> prepared
for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted <BR>>
to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our <BR>>
attackers." <BR>> <BR>> This seemed to the editorial writers at the
San Diego Union-Tribune such a <BR>> reasonable summary of the liberal
position they couldn't figure out why <BR>> Democrats were
"hyperventilating" and getting "bent out of shape." <BR>> <BR>> "What
is harder to understand is how Democrats can think they can have it <BR>>
both ways," they wrote. "Even as they beat their chests and profess support
<BR>> for military action, they can't help but criticize the military and
do <BR>> everything they can to undermine the war effort." <BR>>
<BR>> What a deep mystery. Let's see if we can help the San Diego
thinkers solve <BR>> it. On Sept. 14, 2001, Congress approved a
resolution authorizing the <BR>> president to take military action. The
vote in the Senate was 98 to 0; the <BR>> vote in the House was 420 to 1.
The lone dissenter was Democrat Barbara Lee <BR>> of California, who
expressed qualms about an open-ended war without a clear <BR>> target.
<BR>> <BR>> Find me the offer for therapy and understanding in that
vote. Anyone <BR>> remember what actually happened after 9/11?
Unprecedented unity, support <BR>> across the board, joint statements by
Democratic and Republican political <BR>> leaders. The whole world was
with us. The most important newspaper in France <BR>> headlined, "We Are
All Americans Now," and all our allies sent troops and <BR>> money to
help. That is what George Bush has wasted with his war in Iraq. <BR>>
<BR>> The vote on invading Iraq was 77 to 23 in the Senate and 296 to 133
in the <BR>> House. By that time, some liberals did question the wisdom
of invasion <BR>> because: A) Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and B) it
looked increasingly <BR>> unlikely that Iraq actually had great stores of
weapons of mass destruction, <BR>> since the United Nations inspectors,
who were on the ground, couldn't find <BR>> any sign of them - even
though Donald Rumsfeld claimed we knew exactly where <BR>> they were.
<BR>> <BR>> Since my name is Molly Ivins and I speak for myself, I'll
tell you exactly <BR>> why I opposed invading Iraq: because I thought it
would be bad for this <BR>> country, our country, my country. I opposed
the invasion out of patriotism, <BR>> and that is the reason I continue
to oppose it today: I think it is bad for <BR>> us. I think it has done
nothing but harm to the United States of America. I <BR>> think we have
created more terrorists than we faced to start with and that <BR>> our
good name has been sullied all over the world. I think we have alienated
<BR>> our allies and have killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein ever
did. <BR>> <BR>> I did not oppose the war because I like Saddam
Hussein. I have been active <BR>> in human rights work for 30 years, and
I told you he was a miserable S.O.B. <BR>> back in the '80s, when our
government was sending him arms. <BR>> <BR>> I did not oppose the war
because I am soft on terrorists or didn't want to <BR>> get Osama bin
Laden. To the contrary, I thought it would be much more useful <BR>> to
get bin Laden than to invade Iraq - which, once again, had nothing to do
<BR>> with 9/11. I believe the case now stands proved that this
administration <BR>> used 9/11 as a handy excuse to invade Iraq, which it
already wanted to do <BR>> for other reasons. <BR>> <BR>> It is one
thing for a political knife-fighter like Karl Rove to impugn the <BR>>
patriotism of people who disagree with him: We have seen this same crappy
<BR>> tactic before, just as we have seen administration officials use
9/11 for <BR>> political purposes again and again. But how many times are
the media going <BR>> to let them get away with it? <BR>> <BR>> The
first furious assault on the patriotism of Democrats came right after
<BR>> the 9/11 commission learned President Bush had received a clear
warning in <BR>> August 2001 that Osama bin Laden was planning a
hijacking. <BR>> <BR>> Batten down the hatches: This is the beginning
of an administration push to <BR>> jack up public support for the war in
Iraq by attacking anyone with enough <BR>> sense to raise questions about
how it's going. <BR>> <BR>>
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<BR>> Take care, Moscow. <BR>> <BR>> Tom Hansen <BR>> <BR>>
"What is objectionable, what is dangerous, about extremists is not that they
<BR>> are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what
they say <BR>> about their cause, but what they say about their
opponents." <BR>> <BR>> -- Robert F. Kennedy <BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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