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<DIV><FONT size=4>Ted,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Now that we have really screwed up Iraq based on a
pack of lies, killed and maimed more people than Saddam could have done in
his wildest fantasies, lost the trust of a passel of people
worldwide, and destroyed a great deal of infrastructure -- what is the
ethical thing for us to do?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>I am not disagreeing with the post you made necessarily, but I
think we might have a problem of colossal magnitude/complexity
here.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=4>Anyone with suggestions?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4><BR>Art Deco (Wayne A. Fox)<BR><A
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</A><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 13, 2005 12:01
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Vision2020] Republicans Jump
From Sinking Ship</DIV>
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FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"><BR>All:<BR><BR>I'll let the words of
Republican conservative Rep. Walter Jones, known for the renaming of "french
fries" to "freedom fries," express some of my views on the Bush
administration's cruel and senseless Iraq policy. Ah, it's wonderful to
feel such a bond of common ideas with a North Carolina conservative
Republican: <BR><BR>Rep. Walter Jones, a North Carolina conservative,
said on ABC's "This Week" that he would offer legislation this week setting a
timetable for the withdrawal from Iraq.<BR><BR>"I voted for the resolution to
commit the troops, and I feel that we've done about as much as we can do,"
said Jones, who coined the phrase "freedom fries" to lash out at the French
for opposing the Iraq invasion.<BR><BR>Jones, a member of the House of
Representatives Armed Services Committee, said "primarily the
neoconservatives" in the administration were to blame for flawed war
planning.<BR><BR>"The reason of going in for weapons of mass destruction, the
ability of the Iraqis to make a nuclear weapon, that's all been proven that it
was never there," he said. Jones joins some of Congress' most liberal
Democrats in demanding a deadline to withdraw troops from a conflict they said
has been too costly in U.S. lives and money.<BR><BR>Entire article at this
link and also below:<BR><BR><A
href="http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050613000009990004">http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050613000009990004</A><BR><BR></FONT><FONT
lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2
FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10" BACK="#ffffff">Updated: 11:35 AM
EDT<BR>Republican Lawmakers Urge Shift in Iraq Plans<BR>By Vicki Allen,
Reuters<BR><BR>WASHINGTON (June 13) - A Republican congressman called for a
deadline to pull U.S. troops from Iraq, while some other members of President
Bush's party urged on Sunday that his administration come to grips with a
persistent insurgency and revamp Iraq policy.<BR><BR>Rep. Walter Jones, a
North Carolina conservative, said on ABC's "This Week" that he would offer
legislation this week setting a timetable for the withdrawal from
Iraq.<BR><BR>"I voted for the resolution to commit the troops, and I feel that
we've done about as much as we can do," said Jones, who coined the phrase
"freedom fries" to lash out at the French for opposing the Iraq
invasion.<BR><BR>Other Republicans on television talk shows joined Democrats
in criticizing the administration for playing down the insurgency, while
overestimating the ability of Iraq's fledgling forces to fight without U.S.
soldiers in the lead and failing to plan for the post-invasion
occupation.<BR><BR>"The insurgency is alive and well. We underestimated the
viability of the insurgency," Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina
Republican, said on CBS' Face the Nation. He said the administration has "been
slow to adjust when it comes to troop strength and supporting our
troops."<BR><BR>Graham said the Army is contending with a serious shortfall in
recruiting "because this war is going sour in terms of word of mouth from
parents and grandparents." He said "if we don't adjust, public opinion is
going to keep slipping away."<BR><BR>Jones, a member of the House of
Representatives Armed Services Committee, said "primarily the
neoconservatives" in the administration were to blame for flawed war
planning.</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial
color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"
BACK="#ffffff"><BR><BR>"The reason of going in for weapons of mass
destruction, the ability of the Iraqis to make a nuclear weapon, that's all
been proven that it was never there," he said.<BR><BR>Jones joins some of
Congress' most liberal Democrats in demanding a deadline to withdraw troops
from a conflict they said has been too costly in U.S. lives and
money.<BR><BR>According to a new Gallup Poll, nearly six in 10 Americans say
the United States should withdraw some or all of its troops from Iraq, up from
49 percent who held that view in February, USA Today reported in its Monday
edition.<BR><BR>The Bush administration contends that setting a withdrawal
date would fuel an insurgency that Vice President Dick Cheney recently said
was in "the last throes."<BR><BR>Graham opposed setting a date. "If the
insurgents drive us out ... we've lost a big battle in the war on terror," he
said.<BR><BR>Jones said he was pushing the legislation because his "heart
aches" at the nearly 1,700 U.S. soldiers killed and 12,000 seriously wounded
in Iraq. He said Iraqis should defend themselves once their forces are
trained.<BR><BR>Rep. Curt Weldon, a Pennsylvania Republican who just returned
from Iraq, joined several Democrats saying the administration must be more
candid and acknowledge that it could take about two years to train Iraqi
forces to replace U.S. soldiers and allow a significant pullout."<BR><BR>We
can't come back to America and have our people being convinced that the Iraqi
troops are prepared to take over, when they're not," he said on NBC's Meet the
Press.<BR><BR>Weldon also said the administration must "come to grips" with a
rising insurgency, boosted by fighters from Syria and Iran, "which for some
reason our intelligence community does not want to acknowledge or deal
with."<BR><BR>Weldon said he heard "a common theme" in Iraq that the largest
number of foreign insurgents may be coming from Syria, but that "Iran
overwhelmingly has the quality behind the insurgency."Sen. <BR><BR>Chuck
Hagel, a Nebraska Republican, said on CNN's Late Edition, that "many of us
warned this administration before we ever put a boot on the ground" that it
would face a long-term conflict. "We didn't have plans for it. And we are now
where we are," he said.06-13-05 06:07 EDT
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